Were is Trinidad in your all time great list?

[Live Dog]

yeah and beat a weight drained tarver.give me a break his move up was hella late.he gets nothing from moving up so damn late.top 5 middleweight for sure,p4p he's below tito.

I'll take a victory over Tarver than one over Joppy.

[AntonTheMeh]

good for you.last i checked joppy wasn't coming of a movie set.

i wanna know where is arguello in the people who don't think much of tito in a top 30 p4p list.where is arguello.he's in my top 10.

[Live Dog]

good for you.last i checked joppy wasn't coming of a movie set.

last I checked he was still William Joppy

[AntonTheMeh]

a 32-1-1 william joppy.

[Live Dog]

a 32-1-1 william joppy.

So you think Joppy was a tougher fight than Tarver?

[AntonTheMeh]

at there respective times yeah.

[Live Dog]

at there respective times yeah.

so be it...I will make a poll to see what others think

[AntonTheMeh]

so be it...I will make a poll to see what others think

a vargas comparison would be much more competitive.

[Left2body]

Why not? He wasn't just beat, he got destroyed by those guys.

He was destroyed but 2 HOF's who were both in there PRIME while going up 2 weigth classes from where he won his first belt at.

Does it count against him yes, does it destroy his legacy nope.

[Live Dog]

He was destroyed but 2 HOF's who were both in there PRIME while going up 2 weigth classes from where he won his first belt at.

Does it count against him yes, does it destroy his legacy nope.

It doesn't destroy his legacy, but it detracts from it.