Calzaghe a great of his era - Jones

[Kris Silver]

I have little respect for a champ that avoided fight two of the best pound for pound fighters till they are past their prime. He had one ahead a weight division and one behind a weight division. He was so admissible, that when they talked about good fights from 160 to 175 Cal was not brought up. Hopkins and RJJ were, two guys that put offers out to Cal. Cal wouldn't fight them for price when in reality you have to take the risk and show confidence in your ability to become a superstar. Instead he waited till they were past prime and had losses. Cal is a solid fighter and a good man but an overrated fighter, hard to swallow but you have to some day.

Tell us all your kidding?

Hopkins made an offer to Calzaghe, where's details and source on this? It's widely understood a deal was done, and Hopkins last minute doubled his price to get out of it.

Roy Jones offered Calzaghe a deal? First time anyones heard that, where's the details and source on that?

So even that excuse is ruined. Next excuse? Every fighter ever and out there has faced all the top competition have they, or even most? No. Get a grip on reality.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

I have little respect for a champ that avoided fight two of the best pound for pound fighters till they are past their prime. He had one ahead a weight division and one behind a weight division. He was so admissible, that when they talked about good fights from 160 to 175 Cal was not brought up. Hopkins and RJJ were, two guys that put offers out to Cal. Cal wouldn't fight them for price when in reality you have to take the risk and show confidence in your ability to become a superstar. Instead he waited till they were past prime and had losses. Cal is a solid fighter and a good man but an overrated fighter, hard to swallow but you have to some day.

This whole post is entire bull**** based on nothing.

Everyone knows that Hopkins agreed to the fight before backing out. Clear duck.

Jones is not so clear but he was known for being difficult to negotiate with and managed to NOT fight some of the best fighters in and around his weight division.

Do some research before you start typing. Theres a good boy.

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[poeticlsykuac]

This whole post is entire bull**** based on nothing.

Everyone knows that Hopkins agreed to the fight before backing out. Clear duck.

Jones is not so clear but he was known for being difficult to negotiate with and managed to NOT fight some of the best fighters in and around his weight division.

Do some research before you start typing. Theres a good boy.

Ok foot in my mouth! I still don't see the greatness you give the gentlemen. I still think that Cal could have tried a bit harder to stick himself in the mix, instead everyone had to come to him. He was not the name fighter, that is fact. Hop and Jones proved more unfortunately for you. He has never really been the fighter of the year. His opposition has never really been incredible and he never once put himself out there to send out viewable challenges, he wasn't actively trying to become the best and most well known fighter.

And maybe if you pop Joe's nipple out your mouth I'll jump on next and pay my homage as well. Rather then having a bottle.

[Chunk..]

This thread's like deja vu. ''Calzaghe ducking'' ''Calzaghe ducked B-Hop and prime Roy) all of that's pretty much irelevent now as Roy and Joe will fight and that's all that matters.

Roy embracing Joe and giving him respect for being the best of this era, which is fair IMO. Joe has huge respect for Roy who is a one of the legends of this sport.

This fight is between two fighters who have respect for each other and will let the fighting do the talking and not thier mouths IMO

Can't wait for these two to get it on, it's taken too long to happen.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Ok foot in my mouth! I still don't see the greatness you give the gentlemen. I still think that Cal could have tried a bit harder to stick himself in the mix, instead everyone had to come to him. He was not the name fighter, that is fact. Hop and Jones proved more unfortunately for you. He has never really been the fighter of the year. His opposition has never really been incredible and he never once put himself out there to send out viewable challenges, he wasn't actively trying to become the best and most well known fighter.

And maybe if you pop Joe's nipple out your mouth I'll jump on next and pay my homage as well. Rather then having a bottle.

I didnt even say anything about Joe's greatness. I was just pointing out how wrong and inaccurate your post was.

"Everyone had to come to him" - That'll be why he fought in Germany, Denmark and England (against English fighters) then.

Please please do some research. Thanks.

[poeticlsykuac]

I didnt even say anything about Joe's greatness. I was just pointing out how wrong and inaccurate your post was.

"Everyone had to come to him" - That'll be why he fought in Germany, Denmark and England (against English fighters) then.

Please please do some research. Thanks.

Your talking geography and I am talking weight division, sorry I wasn't specific enough for you to figure it out with your immense knowledge and intelligence. And how many times did he come the he US? Once to fight for his biggest pay check. How many times did he come over to prove himself a worthy opponent or Jones or Hop?

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Your talking geography and I am talking weight division, sorry I wasn't specific enough for you to figure it out with your immense knowledge and intelligence. And how many times did he come the he US? Once to fight for his biggest pay check. How many times did he come over to prove himself a worthy opponent or Jones or Hop?

Zzzzzz sick of having this ****ty conversation.

How many times did Howard Eastman come over to the US before Hopkins fought him?

Same question for Clinton Woods and Jones.

[Kris Silver]

Your talking geography and I am talking weight division, sorry I wasn't specific enough for you to figure it out with your immense knowledge and intelligence. And how many times did he come the he US? Once to fight for his biggest pay check. How many times did he come over to prove himself a worthy opponent or Jones or Hop?

Poet, you've shown complete dis regard for respecting facts, by saying Roy Jones offered Calzaghe a fight. Where on earth did you get that from? You haven't responded to a single thing in my earlier reply deeming every you said completely false. So how can anyone credit you when you so such dis regard for the facts?

As for Calzaghe fighting in America, he was willing to, why would he not then but now do so? Because he actually has genuine options on the table, something you don't seem to recognise. Also, how many times has Hopkins fought out of the US I ask? Calzaghes fought out of his country loads of times, many haven't and don't get criticised half as much.

Can you name more than 8 of Calzaghe's opponents without finding it out online? Have you seen more than 5? I very much doubt both based on your serious display of ignorance so far.

Sorry, you've shown you have no idea what your talking about, as much as you think otherwise you've already shown you believe something which no one else believes to be the case. So it's as if you made it up to suite your bias. You lack any credibility whatsoever.

[P4P Opinion]

I have little respect for a champ that avoided fight two of the best pound for pound fighters till they are past their prime. He had one ahead a weight division and one behind a weight division. He was so admissible, that when they talked about good fights from 160 to 175 Cal was not brought up. Hopkins and RJJ were, two guys that put offers out to Cal. Cal wouldn't fight them for price when in reality you have to take the risk and show confidence in your ability to become a superstar. Instead he waited till they were past prime and had losses. Cal is a solid fighter and a good man but an overrated fighter, hard to swallow but you have to some day.

No, Calzaghe made an offer to Hopkins which Hopkins accepted. The next day Hopkins decided he wanted double the money despite not being a particularly big name at the time (2002). Do you seriously think Calzaghe should have accepted this? Hopkins was either bluffing or considered Calzaghe so highly that he wouldn't risk the fight without an absolute mega payday.

As for your claim that Jones offered Calzaghe a fight; I say bull****. What I have put above is factual with a source to back it up, what you said has been conjured out of thin air by your imagination in a desperate attempt to make your argument work.

First rule of argument: Make your argument fit around the facts, not the other way around.

If you had a choice between A) giving up your title, fighting two or three ranking fights for even a slither of a chance at a fight with Jones for a low payday or B) trying to make yourself a big name at your own division to force the fight at a fair price, what would you have done?