The Truth on Roy Jones VS James Toney

[Darkstar]

Because it's a lame excuse.

He was so weight drained he put on one of his best performances ever (AT SUPER MIDDLE) only four months before he fought Jones.

According to you guys - in a span of four months - he went down to 168, up to 214, then back down to 168.

Right.

This is James Toney we're talking about. He ALWAYS had weight issues. It was only an excuse when he got his ass kicked. This is the same James Toney who ballooned to 230lbs a year before fighting Jirov and then ****** himself down to 190. I suppose if he lost then it would've been an excuse too.

The Charles Williams fight was James Toney best performance EVER? LOL

Also in the same year of the RJJ fight (1994), right before the Williams fight James fought at a very high weight of 182 pounds.

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The Charles Williams fight was James Toney best performance EVER? LOL

Also in the same year of the RJJ fight (1994), right before the Williams fight James fought at a very high weight of 182 pounds.

I said one of his best performances - read carefully. And it was. Williams was an excellent fighter in his prime and Toney was simply masterful.

The second part of your quote proves my point. James Toney ALWAYS had weight issues. It only became an excuse when Roy Jones kicked his ass.

[Bhopreign]

Because it's a lame excuse.

He was so weight drained he put on one of his best performances ever (AT SUPER MIDDLE) only four months before he fought Jones.

According to you guys - in a span of four months - he went down to 168, up to 214, then back down to 168.

Right.

This is James Toney we're talking about. He ALWAYS had weight issues. It was only an excuse when he got his ass kicked. This is the same James Toney who ballooned to 230lbs a year before fighting Jirov and then ****** himself down to 190. I suppose if he lost then it would've been an excuse too.

I agree, fighters always have excuses when they lose, but not when they win.

[Darkstar]

I said one of his best performances - read carefully. And it was. Williams was an excellent fighter in his prime and Toney was simply masterful.

The second part of your quote proves my point. James Toney ALWAYS had weight issues. It only became an excuse when Roy Jones kicked his ass.

He wanted to move up but true to his style always wanted to fight the best. The people wanted Jones- Toney, so Toney gave it his all to make 168 one last time. It was Roy Jones who refused to fight a light heavy. Besides it was his last fight at supermiddle, so I guess your saying you agree that he was badly weight drained.

[Darkstar]

25.02.06 - By James Slater: In the penultimate month of 1994, James Toney's world was about to come crashing down around him. James was struggling with his weight, more so now that his body was older and had thickened out with maturity, and making 168 was an almost impossible ordeal. Stepping up to light heavyweight would have been a far more practical move at this point. But a huge money fight with Roy Jones Jnr was simply irresistible and James almost killed himself dragging his weight down one more time.

Entering training camp approximately six weeks before the scheduled fight date of November 18th, Toney weighed a staggering 214 pounds! He somehow shed the excess pounds but was incredibly weak as he climbed onto the scales to weigh in at 167 pounds. Immediately afterwards he was hooked up to an IV to replace his body fluids and he remained on it all night until the next day when battle was due to commence.. On the way into the ring his weight was checked again and he tipped in at 186 pounds. Amazingly he'd regained almost twenty pounds in just twenty four hours. What a draining sacrifice he had gone through in the name of pride. He simply wanted to beat up on Jones so badly and the fight could only be made at super middleweight, Jones claiming he couldn't go any higher as of yet. The fact that he entered the ring weighing 186 may seem like an advantage, but far from it. Toney was soft looking around the middle and his performance was sluggish. Despite this, and Jones being the more sharper of the two, Roy still refused to fight in a style that would in any way deviate from his overly cautious game plan, much to the infuriation of the crowd. A boringly one sided bout dragged on, something no one had predicted in the days of hype leading up to "The Uncivil War".

Jones scored a flash knockdown in the third round when he caught Toney slightly off balance, and a count was administered. Unhurt, James was soon up but, try as he did, he couldn't get into the fight. He was just too weak and lost a lopsided decision. He'd lost for the first time and he was devastated.

Out of the ring for only three months he was to lose his very next fight also, albeit controversially. Up at the much more natural 175 pound division, he took on 1992 Olympic medallist Montell Griffin. Appearing to score the more hurtful blows, staggering Griffin on occasions, he nonetheless lost a majority decision. Losing twice in a row, the second loss he felt very unfair, was too much for Toney and tension started to mount between him and his trainer and manager. The glamorous Jackie Kallen, one of only a relative few female managers in the sport, was relieved of her duties and James' long time trainer, the vastly experienced and knowledgeable Bill Miller, also parted company from him. Replacements came with the former light heavyweight champion Eddie Mustafa Muhammad coming on board as his new trainer and Stan Hoffman in the managerial role.

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He wanted to move up but true to his style always wanted to fight the best. The people wanted Jones- Toney, so Toney gave it his all to make 168 one last time. It was Roy Jones who refused to fight a light heavy. Besides it was his last fight at supermiddle, so I guess your saying you agree that he was badly weight drained.

Umm...he fought at 182.

Then went down and looked masterful at 168.

Fought at 168 again but this time, it was the weight.

So he moves up to 175. And loses. TWICE. Weight drain? I mean, he was fighting at cruiser before his last two fights at 168.

Please.

I repeat, James Toney has always had weight issues. It was only an excuse when he loses. Period.

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25.02.06 - By James Slater: In the penultimate month of 1994, James Toney's world was about to come crashing down around him. James was struggling with his weight, more so now that his body was older and had thickened out with maturity, and making 168 was an almost impossible ordeal. Stepping up to light heavyweight would have been a far more practical move at this point. But a huge money fight with Roy Jones Jnr was simply irresistible and James almost killed himself dragging his weight down one more time.

Entering training camp approximately six weeks before the scheduled fight date of November 18th, Toney weighed a staggering 214 pounds! He somehow shed the excess pounds but was incredibly weak as he climbed onto the scales to weigh in at 167 pounds. Immediately afterwards he was hooked up to an IV to replace his body fluids and he remained on it all night until the next day when battle was due to commence.. On the way into the ring his weight was checked again and he tipped in at 186 pounds. Amazingly he'd regained almost twenty pounds in just twenty four hours. What a draining sacrifice he had gone through in the name of pride. He simply wanted to beat up on Jones so badly and the fight could only be made at super middleweight, Jones claiming he couldn't go any higher as of yet. The fact that he entered the ring weighing 186 may seem like an advantage, but far from it. Toney was soft looking around the middle and his performance was sluggish. Despite this, and Jones being the more sharper of the two, Roy still refused to fight in a style that would in any way deviate from his overly cautious game plan, much to the infuriation of the crowd. A boringly one sided bout dragged on, something no one had predicted in the days of hype leading up to "The Uncivil War".

Jones scored a flash knockdown in the third round when he caught Toney slightly off balance, and a count was administered. Unhurt, James was soon up but, try as he did, he couldn't get into the fight. He was just too weak and lost a lopsided decision. He'd lost for the first time and he was devastated.

Out of the ring for only three months he was to lose his very next fight also, albeit controversially. Up at the much more natural 175 pound division, he took on 1992 Olympic medallist Montell Griffin. Appearing to score the more hurtful blows, staggering Griffin on occasions, he nonetheless lost a majority decision. Losing twice in a row, the second loss he felt very unfair, was too much for Toney and tension started to mount between him and his trainer and manager. The glamorous Jackie Kallen, one of only a relative few female managers in the sport, was relieved of her duties and James' long time trainer, the vastly experienced and knowledgeable Bill Miller, also parted company from him. Replacements came with the former light heavyweight champion Eddie Mustafa Muhammad coming on board as his new trainer and Stan Hoffman in the managerial role.

James Slater is a buddy of mine. Many years ago we began writing on the same little known website that jumpstarted our careers.

However, this tells us NOTHING WE DON'T KNOW. Yes, he had weight issues. He had them in EVERY FIGHT OF HIS CAREER. It was only a problem when he lost to Jones. Gee, I wonder why?

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RJ was just better than him, plain and simple. Toney's had weight issues throughout his career, but Jones beat him decisively enough to show that he had his number.

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Is it Jones' fault if Hopkins did not hit his peak in his late 20s like every other fighter?

Is it Jones' fault if Toney loves burgers?

[Vadrigar.]

Yes, James Toney ballooned up between fights, but it was only a problem when he got beaten by Jones. He never made that excuse when he won, even though he had similar weight issues.