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Last edited by bsrizpac; 07-14-2008, 11:51 PM. -
You first did a pretty good analysis, then went arbitrary. If you go back enough, when no one was a champion, no one was either born a champion or God came down and Christened him as the Champion of the World (which is how royalties have solved this "but if you go way back, eventually, your family were also peasants"), then there really is no linear champion, nor has ever been. -You countries with monarchies, apply this also to your folk-
Then you went the other way and utilized it to justify the linear championship as something that is created either as a 2 top guy fighting game etc., that is, you -or the promoter, or the boxing entity, or whomever- decides to crown a champion and call the linear afterwards...
...then you go again arbitrary by calling Cotto the second best welterweight (I also do), but something people will and CAN disagree with, because it's not objective... just as boxing rankings themselves are pretty much a subjective joke. Take the WBA January rankings for WW. There was no #1 ranked guy, and the top ranked opponent, #2, was none other than Luis Collazo, followed by Linares and Klose. Mosley, Berto and Judah were ranked 6th, 7th and 8th, respectively.
But you analysis really, ends with no line, and good point, there has never EVEN BEEN a legitimate line.Comment
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Well it's so weak that the there have been two "STFU Ras" arguments to which I have no answer. One of them told me "hey, the line was broken before Leonard" and the other one told me "if you think hard, there has never even been a line".
Everything else has been ways to legitimize a new line where the line was broken. And at that point, the line is disputable, because the process to legitimize it is completely arbitrary.
The rankings are arbitrary. The process to select the new, first champion is arbitrary, and like someone else already said, this had to even happen when the first championship was awarded.
And, like I said, this applies to a LOT of people. I only used the Mayweather/Baldo example because of the popularity of PBF and because, lately, when people talk about linear, they tend to talk about the Baldomir championship.Comment
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I don't know how you can say first, that it's pretty simple, and that it's not arbitrary, in the least, when you have said that the line starts again when someone defeats a person CONSIDERED the champ. Considered, as in individual judgment or preference, i.e. arbitrary, and second, that the guy who in your arbitrary judgment of the situation becomes THE champ, isn't a linear champion himself, but somehow, the guy who defeats him, does. You propose another arbitrary way to make up lineages in order to keep using the term linear (or lineal) champion, where, really, the line either has been broken, or has no legitimacy at all from the start.Comment
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This is boxingscene......Comment
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My reply to you... as you can see, way less than 3 minutes.
The fallacy of the linear championship, as you can also see, I have been saying it for a long time here. I'm not the only one, either. Just really never cared to discuss it.
I've been in classes where these kinds of fallacies have been discussed. I remember a class where there was a professor arguing that the legitimate country of earth has been made by the Germans, because the Germans have always existed. You can guess where that one ended.Comment
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