Calzaghe or Paquiao-who's better?

[luv3s2sp00g3]

Pacquiao. If Calz was 5 years younger then it would be Calz, but even if only slightly, he's still past his prime.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

and joe's wins that are better than the barrera , morales wins is.......?

Eubank, Hopkins - both great fighters. Not saying "better" but at the same level.

Barrera 1 was Pacquiao's best win and that was quite a long time ago. I think he lost twice to Marquez since and I would rank Marquez over Pac for that reason. And Im a big fan of Manny.

Calzaghe has made 21 defences, unified his division twice, moved up and beat Hopkins, the linear champ at 175.

[miron_lang]

Barrera
Morales
Juan Manuel Marquez
Oscar larios
Chatchai Sasakul
Lehlo Ledwabba


Eubank
Lacy
Kessler
Hopkins


Mosley
Judah
Quintana
Malinaggi
Corley
Torres



pac

[roundingace]

Dude I think you better take a leaf out of mine and leave it alone. Seriously, what's the point? He refuses to see logic and also, I mean, observe my ****n sig.

Very true. Thanks for the words of wisdom my good man. Some people are just blinded by hard facts.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

Very true. Thanks for the words of wisdom my good man. Some people are just blinded by hard facts.

Some people are also blinded by hate. Looking through some of your posts, its quite obvious where yours is directed.

[Left Hook Tua]

Eubank, Hopkins - both great fighters. Not saying "better" but at the same level.

Barrera 1 was Pacquiao's best win and that was quite a long time ago. I think he lost twice to Marquez since and I would rank Marquez over Pac for that reason. And Im a big fan of Manny.

Calzaghe has made 21 defences, unified his division twice, moved up and beat Hopkins, the linear champ at 175.

a little bit after joe won the 168 wbo belt , manny won the wbc 112 belt.

5 years before joe got lacy's ibf belt , manny won ledwaba's ibf 122 belt.

manny also won the linear belt at 126 before joe got his linear belt at 168.

manny won his 130 linear and wbc belt same time joe got his 175 linear belt.

and manny added the wbc belt at 135 since then.

even if you don't want to count the marquez wins , 4 wins over past prime barrera and morales is better than 2 wins over past prime hopkins and eubank.

sasakul was the best flyweight at the time manny beat him and ledawaba was considered #1 or 2 at 122 when manny beat him.

sasakul and ledwaba are better or equal wins to kessler and lacy.

[roundingace]

a little bit after joe won the 168 wbo belt , manny won the wbc 112 belt.

5 years before joe got lacy's ibf belt , manny won ledwaba's ibf 122 belt.

manny also won the linear belt at 126 before joe got his linear belt at 168.

manny won his 130 linear and wbc belt same time joe got his 175 linear belt.

and manny added the wbc belt at 135 since then.

even if you don't want to count the marquez wins , 4 wins over past prime barrera and morales is better than 2 wins over past prime hopkins and eubank.

sasakul was the best flyweight at the time manny beat him and ledawaba was considered #1 or 2 at 122 when manny beat him.

sasakul and ledwaba are better or equal wins to kessler and lacy.

Argue that one Mr. Diggler lmao. Nice post, but we must still be blinded by hate instead of, as I said, HARD FACTS!

[Dirk Diggler UK]

a little bit after joe won the 168 wbo belt , manny won the wbc 112 belt.

5 years before joe got lacy's ibf belt , manny won ledwaba's ibf 122 belt.

manny also won the linear belt at 126 before joe got his linear belt at 168.

manny won his 130 linear and wbc belt same time joe got his 175 linear belt.

and manny added the wbc belt at 135 since then.

even if you don't want to count the marquez wins , 4 wins over past prime barrera and morales is better than 2 wins over past prime hopkins and eubank.

sasakul was the best flyweight at the time manny beat him and ledawaba was considered #1 or 2 at 122 when manny beat him.

sasakul and ledwaba are better or equal wins to kessler and lacy.

I have no issue with people rating Pacquaio as P4P Number 1. Its subjective, its about opinions. Some people dont realise that opinions cant be right or wrong.

The way I saw it was that both guys were top 5. Joe beat both Kessler and Hopkins where I believe Manny lost to Marquez who was also in the top 5. Hence I would probably have 1.Joe 2. Marquez 3.Pac

Just my opinion

[ManiacCop]

Pacman all the way.

[Left Hook Tua]

Just my opinion

ok.

can you just tell joe to let roy win one before roy retires? :-)