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he is surely in the running.
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How does Manny deserve fighter of the decade when the only reason he is P4P best now is because of Mayweather retirement. That shows his class level compared to Money MayComment
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no he doesnt.
floyd jr fought no one of a threat for so many years!
demarcus corely,Shambra gimp knee mitcheall,henry bruseles,arturo punching bag gatti,zab mental midget judah, carlos slow motion baldomir, oscar over the hill delahoya,ricky hatton the midget fatton....
So why does pacman have to show some game after he just fought a legend in JMM? lol
pacmans style is aggressive balls out brawler not defensive technician its harder for a brawler to win moving up in weight then it is for a technical boxer.
floyd jr needs to step up hard and fight 5 greats in order to be legit.
Ali fought the best what is floyd jr doing retiring because he didnt get 50 million for the rematch!Comment
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Because for the most part he is not fighting the prime versions of the legends he is fighting. He is also fighting them repeatedly as there skill level goes down. He has also been the subject of at least very favorable judging. It is less impressive in reality then in real life.
Look, I see and hear you. I know you are Pac fan. I like watching him. He is fun to see. I liked watching Gatti, Ward and Paz as well. Don't get me wrong Pac is a better fighter then any of these but to me it is still the move forward and just club fighter. I like it to watch but I can't give it my best of the decade award.
I don't think your stance is invalid it is just my meter of success is different. As I said early on my opinion could be changed but it won't be with this fight and it won't be with a fight with a faded legend. He is in a class now were there are some real game match-ups that could make a believer out of Doubters like me. If you boy Pac is as much of a fighter as you state it will happen and we will see.Comment
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you over look ****
the marco who fought pacman the 2nd time is better then zab judah, arturo gattin, hatton, delahoya, baldomirs that fought floyd jr.
this is the truth.
why do you like floyd jr so much? what is it about him you like he doesnt fight the best, he cares more about money, he insults legends saying ray robinson is not on his level cause he got a loss?
do you dream of being like him does his personality fit yours?
I have no problem with a person being a defensive fighter heck winky wright was one of my faves only cause he fought the best! just like pernell whitakerComment
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Domain,
You have yet to answer any of my statements and argue any of the points that I made. You are ignoring a serious amount of ****. All those guys he fought had belts at a certain point. Pacman fought guys that had been in the sport for 14 years and in featherweights that is the end of your career, past your prime. You are being absolutely hard headed, your so busy arguing that you are not being very subjective.
You mention everyone of those people but guess what every one of those guys except Bruseles was a champ at a point in time or at the time. Baldomir was slow but hadn't lost in what 7 years? Gatti had just come off a very good looking victory. DLH as old as he is is still a powerful puncher and is still way more solid then a old EM or MAB, as speed is way more of a necessity in the lighter division. Judah is an extremely talented ****** but he is a two division world champ.
You are acting like Pacman has fought all these young talented challengers, he hasn't that is fact. He moves up before they can get a shot, I mean honestly say what you will but when PBF fought all of those guys they were the best. PBF cleaned out 130 and 135 moved to 140 belted, 147 and then 154, lets see if Pacman can do that, he is moving up when there are still questions in the division, come on, he can fight Valero, Arthur, Guzman, and I'd like to see Juarez, although Pac would most likely win Juarez both are brawlers. How come you aren't arguing those guys are getting avoided?
You aren't nearly objective enough and you have yet to make a good post to any one of those comments I made earlier. And again remember that the decade starts in 01 not 00, guess what it does not matter what you say, either way PBF has done more.
Again I strongly dislike PBF but he has been the most impressive this decade especially if you see that he has been in it this WHOLE decade so far, not since '03. Corrales, Castillo, DLH, Hatton, and Gatti will most likely all be hofs for their commitment to the sport. DLH, Corrales, and Castillo did a lot in each of their careers. Hatton(he was also number 2 on p4p) tipped off Mr. Tszyu, which is very difficult, dude be everyone. Gatti has won in some stunning victories, though I don't find him talented he just hits hard. Pacman only has 3 hofers, why does Mayweather need more?Last edited by poeticlsykuac; 06-27-2008, 01:23 PM.Comment
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