Calzaghe WILL retire UNDEFEATED!

[THE REED]

I think both Roy and B-Hop have already admitted having priced themselves out of fights with Joe, so it's not really his fault he didn't get to fight them before.

Maybe Joe could have had a fight with Sven Oetke in his record, but that's also Warren's fault, who is known to overprotect his fighters.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh




no.

[*Lucky13*]

So that was the ONLY chance Calzaghe had of fighting the best fighters in and around his division? Please.

We don't care why it didn't happen or whose fault it was...IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. That's why his legacy is so weakened. Great fighter? Yes. Hall of Famer? Yes. But not better than the greats of his time - Jones, Hopkins, Toney and that's because he didn't fight them till they were well past their peak, if he fought them at all. ****, he didn't fight Sven Ottke either (not saying it was his fault), who was the #1 or #2 guy at 168 for many years. ****, he didn't even fight good lhw's like Glen Johnson or Antonio Tarver.

Shame, shame, Joe. You did it to yourself.

That's fair enough.

Popkins was the one that chose NOT to fight Calzaghe, so who's fault is that?!

Not only that but Popkins only credible win IMO is Glen Johnson, which he beat fair and square. The reason why I mention Glen is because he matched up to Popkins in terms of size!

Popkins claimed boxing fame by beating blown up welterweights, he beat Tito and Oscar, those two wins HIGHLIGHT his career, and that's not saying much because Oscar started out fighting at LIGHTWEIGHT while Popkins started fighting @ LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT for God's sake.

I see an unfair double standard here, Joe is being criticized for something which he has no control of.

[bsrizpac]

What racist, b*tch a**, hiding behind the computer 12yr old wrote that?

That would be Lucky13.

[IMDAZED]

Lucky...are you serious?

That's fair enough.

Popkins was the one that chose NOT to fight Calzaghe, so who's fault is that?!

This would make sense except...Hopkins DID fight Calzaghe...when Calzaghe FINALLY decided to come to the US.

Not only that but Popkins only credible win IMO is Glen Johnson, which he beat fair and square. The reason why I mention Glen is because he matched up to Popkins in terms of size!

Speaking of Glen, whatever happened to that proposed match-up with Calzaghe? Let's see...Jones fought him. Hopkins fought him. Tarver fought him. Even Clinton Woods! Calzaghe? Nah...

Popkins claimed boxing fame by beating blown up welterweights, he beat Tito and Oscar, those two wins HIGHLIGHT his career, and that's not saying much because Oscar started out fighting at LIGHTWEIGHT while Popkins started fighting @ LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT for God's sake.

Actually, he started as a fat, disgusting cruiser. But why let facts get int he way of your rant? You're on a roll.

I see an unfair double standard here, Joe is being criticized for something which he has no control of.

We're not criticizing him, we're just telling the truth. His undefeated record doesn't mean as much because of the quality of opposition. Case closed. No diss, just facts.

[bsrizpac]

That's fair enough.

Popkins was the one that chose NOT to fight Calzaghe, so who's fault is that?!

Not only that but Popkins only credible win IMO is Glen Johnson, which he beat fair and square. The reason why I mention Glen is because he matched up to Popkins in terms of size!

Popkins claimed boxing fame by beating blown up welterweights, he beat Tito and Oscar, those two wins HIGHLIGHT his career, and that's not saying much because Oscar started out fighting at LIGHTWEIGHT while Popkins started fighting @ LIGHT HEAVYWEIGHT for God's sake.

I see an unfair double standard here, Joe is being criticized for something which he has no control of.

So Tarver was smalled than Hopkins? COOL.

[*Lucky13*]

So Tarver was smalled than Hopkins? COOL.

If you're impressed by someone who beats Tarver, good for you, I'll let you have that.

[bsrizpac]

If you're impressed by someone who beats Tarver, good for you, I'll let you have that.

Well you're impressed by a guy who beat Hopkin's Corpse, Peter Manfredo, and Jeff ****ing Lacy. So I guess we are even aren't we?

Not gonna respond to what i said about you complaining about my insults are ya?

[IMDAZED]

If you're impressed by someone who beats Tarver, good for you, I'll let you have that.

I'm impressed by anyone who leaps TWO divisions to take on THE man there. ****, it took Calzaghe how many years to move up? Even when he claimed he couldn't get a fight with Ottke at 168? Why didn't he fight Tarver when Tarver ruled? Because it wouldn't be impressive? I suppose going tooth and nail with a 43yr old man is.

[*Lucky13*]

I'll get back to you guys later, I have to watch Germany vs Turkey!

[mspiegelo]

Calzaghe has already admitted that he wasn't trying to face roy in his prime and that Roy looked entirely super human until the 1st Tarver fight. I think that Roy and Hopkins would have thrashed him in their primes- Roy with Speed (and the power that stems from that speed) and Hopkins with unmerciful, consistent, aggressive pinpoint accuracy. Hopkins got the much better shots in their fight at age 43. Compubox also gave calzags too much credit for his inaccurate slaps.

That being said, I still like Calzaghe. He is a ring general in his own right and really showed grit in the Kessler fight. I like his quirky style and he seems like a good guy out of the ring. The hopkins fight was close and though I feel Hopkins won, I understand the argument for Calzaghe based on work rate and aggression (albeit ineffective aggression against the master of defense - Hopkins).

The reason I think Roy has a chance is that Joe respects Roy too much, in a way idolizes him, and the best way to beat Roy (which has only become possible since his move down to Light Heavy) is to show him no respect and to come after him with tons of violent pressure. I like Roys chances in this fight and hope he wins because he's my favorite fighter of all-time.

If Roy does pul it off at this stage in his career, i believe it will be very unfavorable to Calzaghe's legacy in terms of where he truly stood against the best super middleweights of our time (I believe beneath Jones & Toney and somewhere above or below Eubank & Benn), though I don't think beating Roy, who is past-his-prime at this stage in his career, does that much to add to his legacy...