Is it possible to take away a share of the true championship?

[Fox McCloud]

I know there are definately different sides of the argument. Max Kellerman always said that Juan Diaz wasn't the champion at 135 (before he lost), because Casamayor beat Corrales at 135, and that makes him the champ!

Currently though, Arthur Abraham just beat a dangerous (albeit limited) fighter in Edison Miranda and kind of legitimized his middleweight title as something more than paper, at least in my mind.

Then again, Kelly Pavlik beat Jermain Taylor, who beat Bernard Hopkins, who is obviously the real champion of the division at the time.

Do you think Arthur Abraham is more of a champion in the middleweight division than just a paper champion, or do you reserve the title champion at 160 entirely for Kelly Pavlik?

Did you recognize Juan Diaz as more than a paper champion, or did you feel like Casamayor was the only champion?

Mayweather or Cotto?

Let's hear it!

[Bhopreign]

I know there are definately different sides of the argument. Max Kellerman always said that Juan Diaz wasn't the champion at 135 (before he lost), because Casamayor beat Corrales at 135, and that makes him the champ!

Currently though, Arthur Abraham just beat a dangerous (albeit limited) fighter in Edison Miranda and kind of legitimized his middleweight title as something more than paper, at least in my mind.

Then again, Kelly Pavlik beat Jermain Taylor, who beat Bernard Hopkins, who is obviously the real champion of the division at the time.

Do you think Arthur Abraham is more of a champion in the middleweight division than just a paper champion, or do you reserve the title champion at 160 entirely for Kelly Pavlik?

Did you recognize Juan Diaz as more than a paper champion, or did you feel like Casamayor was the only champion?

Mayweather or Cotto?

Let's hear it!

They are considered titlists. Pavlik is the man at 160 because he beat the man that "beat' the man. A paper champion is someone who obtains the belt when another fighter vacates or the belt is basically given to him, I would consider Berto a paper titlist right now. But your argument is really based on there being one champ in each division if their were only one belt, in which case Abraham would be in my mind a paper champ, because he hasnt beaten the man that beat the man considering the lineage of the RING belt.