The Joe Calzaghe leagacy. Why it could have been greater.

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  • BattlingNelson
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    The Joe Calzaghe leagacy. Why it could have been greater.

    A while ago there was a thread about Joe Calzaghe's legacy. It was stated that he should have fought some better opposition earlier in his career.

    The brits kept asking for names as to who he should have fought and I, along with others found it difficult to name more than a couple.

    Today I surfed the net and found this interesting piece by Paul Upham from the site where the seconds are out:


    PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Opening up my copy of The Ring magazine from October 1996, I note the then super middleweight top ten as follows: 1.Roy Jones Jr, 2.Frank Liles, 3.Steve Collins, 4.Vinny Pazienza, 5.Nigel Benn, 6.Vincenzo Nardiello, 7.Henry Wharton, 8.Michael Nunn, 9.Sugar Boy Malinga, 10.Joe Calzaghe. That was exactly one year before Calzaghe won the vacant WBO belt against Chris Eubank.

    I note that Calzaghe would not go on to face any of the nine boxers rated above him. Fast forward five years to September 2001 and The Ring ratings at super middleweight were: 1.Sven Ottke, 2.Joe Calzaghe, 3.Byron Mitchell, 4.Antwun Echols, 5.Eric Lucas, 6.Charles Brewer, 7.Thomas Tate, 8.Dingaan Thobela, 9.Mads Larsen, 10.James Butler. Calzaghe would go on to beat Mitchell and Brewer. While it is clear that the super middleweight division wasn’t that strong at times during his reign, there were important fights Calzaghe could have made. After winning the WBO strap in October 1997, he did not win another world title until beating Jeff Lacy for the IBF belt in March 2006. That’s almost ten years where he could have become a multiple belt champion and shown the talent he really did possess.

    Full credit to Calzaghe for what he has achieved. He proved what a talent he is in his wins over Kessler and Hopkins. I am still maintain however that he could have taken other fights much earlier which would have shown the boxing world his talent before he turned 33. The key for me is that even if he couldn’t secure a fight with a big name in the USA, he needed to unify and win at least one of the other three main world titles. Sticking only with the WBO belt for so long when it now seems he could have achieved so much more.
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    Originally posted by BatTheMan
    I am still maintain however that he could have taken other fights much earlier which would have shown the boxing world his talent before he turned 33. The key for me is that even if he couldn’t secure a fight with a big name in the USA, he needed to unify and win at least one of the other three main world titles. Sticking only with the WBO belt for so long when it now seems he could have achieved so much more.
    Thats easier said than done though when you have other fighters who similar to Frank Warrens style of promoting are not interested in unifying, but defending over and over. I maintain that Calzaghe fought the best that was available, and so the record is thin in parts, but not a fault of his own.

    What is important now is where he is today, and the fighters he is facing today. He broke his way out of that 'keep the one belt' ritual by unifying against Lacy, unifying against Kessler and challenging for a world title abroad.

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    • TheManchine
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      interesting bat,

      look at king arthur last weekend,

      many americans doubted him but then he comes to america early enough in his career, knocks out miranda and now he has alot of respect on the board and is getting alot more credit,

      calzaghe should have done this or if not as the article says try and get hold of more belts earlier in his career

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        How many ppl note that Byron Mitchell was #3 at the time? Never. The only higher ranked fighter in the division then was Sven Ottke whom Calzaghe openly said wasn't interested in fighting him, turning him down all the time. He TKO'd Mitchell, and convincingly beat Charles Brewer whom was #6 at the time. I agree he coulda done a little better. But that article seems to more underline the ignorances to those achievements more than anything else.

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          Originally posted by BatTheMan
          A while ago there was a thread about Joe Calzaghe's legacy. It was stated that he should have fought some better opposition earlier in his career.

          The brits kept asking for names as to who he should have fought and I, along with others found it difficult to name more than a couple.

          Today I surfed the net and found this interesting piece by Paul Upham from the site where the seconds are out:


          PAUL UPHAM ANSWERS: Opening up my copy of The Ring magazine from October 1996, I note the then super middleweight top ten as follows: 1.Roy Jones Jr, 2.Frank Liles, 3.Steve Collins, 4.Vinny Pazienza, 5.Nigel Benn, 6.Vincenzo Nardiello, 7.Henry Wharton, 8.Michael Nunn, 9.Sugar Boy Malinga, 10.Joe Calzaghe. That was exactly one year before Calzaghe won the vacant WBO belt against Chris Eubank.

          I note that Calzaghe would not go on to face any of the nine boxers rated above him. Fast forward five years to September 2001 and The Ring ratings at super middleweight were: 1.Sven Ottke, 2.Joe Calzaghe, 3.Byron Mitchell, 4.Antwun Echols, 5.Eric Lucas, 6.Charles Brewer, 7.Thomas Tate, 8.Dingaan Thobela, 9.Mads Larsen, 10.James Butler. Calzaghe would go on to beat Mitchell and Brewer. While it is clear that the super middleweight division wasn’t that strong at times during his reign, there were important fights Calzaghe could have made. After winning the WBO strap in October 1997, he did not win another world title until beating Jeff Lacy for the IBF belt in March 2006. That’s almost ten years where he could have become a multiple belt champion and shown the talent he really did possess.

          Full credit to Calzaghe for what he has achieved. He proved what a talent he is in his wins over Kessler and Hopkins. I am still maintain however that he could have taken other fights much earlier which would have shown the boxing world his talent before he turned 33. The key for me is that even if he couldn’t secure a fight with a big name in the USA, he needed to unify and win at least one of the other three main world titles. Sticking only with the WBO belt for so long when it now seems he could have achieved so much more.
          That was my thread... and that was my point... Calzaghe's career was very good... but not great... we missed some good fights. Don't forget about Glen Johnson

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            Originally posted by hungryherbert
            interesting bat,

            look at king arthur last weekend,

            many americans doubted him but then he comes to america early enough in his career, knocks out miranda and now he has alot of respect on the board and is getting alot more credit,

            calzaghe should have done this or if not as the article says try and get hold of more belts earlier in his career
            Perfectly said... well done

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              He wanted to, and was going to fight Johnson but injuries ruined it. He's never been fearful of fighters, but also not the talker, or chaser that he could have been. Just way he is, pro's n cons.

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                #8
                Originally posted by HappyBoxingFan
                That was my thread... and that was my point... Calzaghe's career was very good... but not great... we missed some good fights. Don't forget about Glen Johnson
                Who was beaten by the guy in my sig BTW!!!

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                  #9
                  Originally posted by BatTheMan
                  Who was beaten by the guy in my sig BTW!!!
                  And who ducked Calzaghe, cos he knows he'd have lost to him.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by BatTheMan
                    Who was beaten by the guy in my sig BTW!!!
                    mitchell right? Never seen that fight, but have to give benefit of doubt to mitchell tht he was robbed. lol

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