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  • #11
    naseem hamed. did evryfing wrong except lose (b4 barrera before fools start reminding me how he lost). i always felt pbf fort he was naz but he just didnt have naz's style.

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    • #12
      Originally posted by DWiens421 View Post
      It is when they are able to beat their "poison style matchup".

      You know a slick boxer is going to be pretty special when he is able to dodge and counterpunch the pressure fighter all night long without taking too much of a beating. Mayweather's display against Jesus Chavez showed that he is more than just a good slickster, because slicksters usually have quite a bit of trouble with pressure fighters.

      When the pressure fighter is able to be in the face of a one punch killer slugger all night and win out. Margarito's destruction of one punch killer Cintron shows that his chin will get him out of his so-called "poison style matchup" against a one punch KO artist.

      Finally, when a slugger is able to land their huge punch on a slick boxer, you know they are going to be something special. Someone like Ricardo Mayorga landing his bombs on Forrest enough to KO him in the first meeting and to scare him to the point that he won a decision in the second meeting. A boxer should be quick enough to keep the jab in the slugger's face so they can't ever really get their flush power shot off.

      Thoughts? When a fighter is able to run through every kind of style (especially their "poison style matchup"), that is when you know they are going to be P4P material, and possibly ATG material.
      Well said bro!

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      • #13
        I think the single biggest thing to look for in a fighter is good movement and positioning, regardless of style.

        Most boxers are actually quite rubbish at this and it costs them. You can have all the punches, speed etc in the world but if you finish what you are doing and are standing in position to be hit then you are never going to be the best.

        Jermain Taylor and Zab Judah are good examples, but really there are loads.

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        • #14
          Guzman
          Mayweather
          Hopkins
          Clottey
          Winky Wright

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          • #15
            Originally posted by DWiens421 View Post
            It is when they are able to beat their "poison style matchup".

            You know a slick boxer is going to be pretty special when he is able to dodge and counterpunch the pressure fighter all night long without taking too much of a beating. Mayweather's display against Jesus Chavez showed that he is more than just a good slickster, because slicksters usually have quite a bit of trouble with pressure fighters.

            When the pressure fighter is able to be in the face of a one punch killer slugger all night and win out. Margarito's destruction of one punch killer Cintron shows that his chin will get him out of his so-called "poison style matchup" against a one punch KO artist.

            Finally, when a slugger is able to land their huge punch on a slick boxer, you know they are going to be something special. Someone like Ricardo Mayorga landing his bombs on Forrest enough to KO him in the first meeting and to scare him to the point that he won a decision in the second meeting. A boxer should be quick enough to keep the jab in the slugger's face so they can't ever really get their flush power shot off.

            Thoughts? When a fighter is able to run through every kind of style (especially their "poison style matchup"), that is when you know they are going to be P4P material, and possibly ATG material.
            the "poison" style match up doesn't make a fighter special. What makes a fighter special is a combination of talent, athleticism, dedication, and ability to endure adversity.

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            • #16
              Originally posted by kayjay View Post
              You know a poster is special when he can refrain from making that ****** thread.
              Oh yes, the guy who thinks that the way a fighter fights has nothing to do with the outcome.

              Yes, Kayjay, there are no 100% accurate descriptions of anyone's style, nor do two fighters have the exact same style, but Juan Diaz is a "pressure fighter", Cory Spinks is a "slickster" and Julian Jackson is a "slugger". You can't tell me that the if there were three guys of exactly equal talent that each of them wouldn't end up 1-1, losing to their "poison matchup" and winning their "easier matchup".

              Originally posted by Pullcounter View Post
              the "poison" style match up doesn't make a fighter special. What makes a fighter special is a combination of talent, athleticism, dedication, and ability to endure adversity.
              You don't think it would take a special fighter like Juan Diaz (stands in front of the other fighter, no power) to stand in front of a fighter like Julian Jackson (one punch killer) and not get KO'd? That is the toughest thest I could imagine.

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              • #17
                There are so many variables that you can't make it this simple.

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