Just watched PACQUIAO-MARQUEZ 2 for the billionth time...

[Papa Ace]

man easy on the bias mexican. he is a former boxer. he knows what he is talking about. i just hope his head wasn't ****** too much for giving out ****ty reasonings.

ferocity? LOL what the **** have you been smoking?

[Flab]

114-113 PACquiao as described in the radio when i first hear it. Live

114-113 Pacquiao after watching a very clear .AVI Format

114-113 Pacquiao after scanning through all the boxing forums that im a member of.



JMM is the most difficult among the 3. but still not good enough to beat pac.

You scored it wrong.

[Left Hook Tua]

Marquez and Barerra are to Pac what Frazier and Foreman were to Ali. Ali made Foreman look silly but Frazier couldnt beat Foreman if his life depended on it. Frazier gives Ali all he can handle everytime out though

Marquez in reality couldnt beat Barerra if his life depended on it. Pacquiao makes Barerra look like childs play. But Marquez gives Pacquiao fits everytime the hook up

gotta disagree with your analysis. if we are gonna take the ali comparison.

barrera is liston.
morales is frazier.
marquez is norton.

barrera was great and was still close to prime the 1st time but manny is a bad style matchup for him. both in their prime i still think manny ko's him , especially the young barrera who would have slugged it out with manny.

morales was also a great and gives manny the toughest fights. i know manny koed him the last 2 fights but you know in his prime those 2 would have beat each other badly much like the 1st fight.

marquez is norton. a good fighter but not great that is a bad matchup for manny who is a much greater fighter. none will say norton was greater than ali but looking at those 3 norton-ali fights......some could say ken won all of them.

[BOLLOCKS]

gotta disagree with your analysis. if we are gonna take the ali comparison.

barrera is liston.
morales is frazier.
marquez is norton.

barrera was great and was still close to prime the 1st time but manny is a bad style matchup for him. both in their prime i still think manny ko's him , especially the young barrera who would have slugged it out with manny.

Barrera was just unprepared for a tough fight that night.

[The Wire]

Pacquaio lost by a point IMO. Close, good fight though

[DiegoFuego]

Pacquiao won both fights. He won the first fight big and the second fight by a point.

[Left Hook Tua]

SO... how'd ga score it?
i keep seeing it marquez!

the trick is to watch it (bypass the highlights and watch it with no commentary) and only judge the definite rounds. the close rounds that you feel could go either way for the judges set it aside. then split the even rounds between manny and juan. also do it twice more giving all the close rounds to one and then to the other.

now you can see how manny could have won it and you see how juan could have won it as well.

without judging round by round the 1st time i saw it , live at my house party , i thought juan manuel pulled it off but it was close. i think manny's reputation hurts him a bit when judging his fights. we're so used to seeing manny hurt and ko his opponents so when he doesn't hurt them or knock them down or ko them , the audience feels like he's not winning or doing well. it's the difference watching those 2 go at it. when they're boxing it looks like juan is doing so much better than he is and manny looks like he's doing worse than he is.

but when i watched it on tape and scored round by round i had it 114-113 for manny but i had 2 rounds that i just wasn't sure about and thought could go either way.

when people talk about robbery , they're talking out of their ass. deep down unless they're ****** they know it was a close fight that could've gone either way.

[The Wire]

Pacquiao won both fights. He won the first fight big and the second fight by a point.

Are you high? Have you actually seen the first fight? He got outboxed every round after the 2nd

[Left Hook Tua]

Barrera was just unprepared for a tough fight that night.

he was unprepared and he did have distractions. he also probably took manny lightly. (****! all i was hoping for was he make a good showing and hold his own. i thought he'd lose , i just hope he'd do okay , get his money , get his name out there and go back to 122 where he's still ibf champ. i was in for a surprise......)

that said , manny is a bad matchup for marco. not saying better just a bad matchup. i think manny is much better than juan ma too but juan ma is a bad matchup for manny and manny is lucky to be 1-0-1 against juan ma. he could easily be 1-1-0 or even 0-2-0 against juan ma. though you can say manny should be 2-0 against him as well.

even if marco was younger it wouldn't have helped. besides the younger marco would have slugged it out with manny......that wouldn't have been good marco.

[Left Hook Tua]

Are you high? Have you actually seen the first fight? He got outboxed every round after the 2nd

he got outboxed the majority of the rounds after the 2nd. still could've gone either way. the big 1st round killed juan ma though and i had manny squeak it out.

officially though it should've been a win because the judge didn't know how to score 3 knockdowns and admitted he made a mistake after the fact.

juan ma screwed up big time by not taking the immediate rematch. manny didn't improve his game 'til after the 1st erik fight and juan ma would've beaten manny if they rematched right away like intended.

......his dumb ass also would've made $750k instead of $70k when he lost to chris john. he also would've ended up getting big money fights with erik instead of manny getting erik. nacho's mistake screwed him out of a lot of money.