Floyd vs Jesus Chavez- Was Floyd Unbeatable?

**DLT** · 06-09-2008, 06:03 PM

PART 2

The other thing I think about when watching the fight is seeing the differnce between Floyd then & now. I recently read an article on this fight where a writer said that Floyd threw alot less punches then he's use to seeing him throw. However, if you watch Floyd fight now, he throws like 3 times less the amount of punches he threw back then. Other articles talked about him at 135 and how they just dont see him being able to ever move to 140 or above because he's just too light in the rear despite his height. Thats why I think people dont give him enough credit for what he's done. He was clearly a super exciting fighter back then with mad power who threw alot of punches. Its not going to be the same in your 4th weight class e****ally when you moved up unaturally. He also should get major credit for moving up when alot of people back then thought he couldnt because he just wasnt a big or naturally strong guy.

Another recent article I read was about Hatton saying that Floyd should move down to 140 for there rematch or fight at a catchweight but the writer said that Hatton is a clown for asking that since Floyd started off 2 weight classes below him and is clearly not a real WW his ownself. Even Hatton admits that. The writer said that Floyd could easily still be fighting at 135-140 right now and would never have to move up. Yet people think he should definatly have to fight huge guys like Margarito & Cotto who are in there 1st weight class and are huge for the weight? I dont get it. Back to the original point about the scoring. Its no coincedence to me that the 1st Castillo fight was the very next fight after Chavez. If people scored the Chavez fight super close then its easy to see why some would have Castillo winning the fight. If Floyd didnt flat out destroy guys like he had been doing then they were going to give the rounds to the other guy. If anyone has the "whole" Chavez fight on tape then tell me how you scored it. Watch it close and dont just listen to the announcers, Lederman, or the pro Chavez crowd. No way he won alot of those rounds.

PS- I also had the Roy Jones-Sosa fight on that same tape. No disrespect to anyone but how could anyone think that Calzaghe would beat a prime RJ? Its a whole different level if you ask me. Watching a young Floyd & RJ was great to see. Who was better? Both of those guys were so special. I still stand by my original thought which is where I give the slight edge to Floyd because I still think he was more fundementally sound and better defensivley. RJ had crazy speed and was special but he was also very raw. Alot of the shots he threw in that fight got his body all crossed up and offbalance. Floyd would never do that

**Sin City** · 06-09-2008, 06:08 PM

I could have fit all that into one post. You write with a lot of junk, you need to take a course in english 101 and 102.

**ROSS CALIFORNIA** · 06-09-2008, 06:12 PM

Originally posted by DLT

The fight also made me think about Floyd's career. I always say that I cant believe that people think he is boring. I always say that its like people only remember Floyd's fight with Baldy & Oscar which also just happenend to be the 2 biggest guys he's ever fought. He had a bunch of exciting fights at 130 where he stopped 20 or 27 guys. Then at LW he had that great fight with N'Dou. At 140 he dropped Chop twice in an exciting fight while stopping Bruseles & Gatti. At WW he had a great fight with Zab while stopping Mitchell & Hatton. I cant believe that everyone thinks he is boring or has had all boring fights. Its so not true.

Yeah, I think when he moved up in weight he had to be a little more careful with the bigger stronger fighters. He doesn't have the type of frame that allows him to move up to far before everyone is way bigger and stronger than him. At the lighter weights he was much more exciting. Just look at him in his very first fights, you could see he was going to be a very good fighter.

**DLT** · 06-09-2008, 07:53 PM

Originally posted by Sin City

I could have fit all that into one post. You write with a lot of junk, you need to take a course in english 101 and 102.

I bet you fit alot of big things into tight spaces. ***!

**Fox McCloud** · 06-09-2008, 07:57 PM

Didn't read it.

I agree that the fight wasn't as close as Lederman made it out to sound.

It also wasn't 8 rounds to 1.

Floyd's counterpunching skills were marvelous in that fight though.

**DLT** · 06-09-2008, 08:01 PM

Lederman actually had Chavez winning 4-3 going into the 7th. He also gave Hatton a ton of rounds against Floyd so its obvious that he would give the Castillo fight to him. He doesnt pay any attention to a guy blocking shots. All he see's is a guy pushing someone against the ropes or applying alot of pressure and he automatically gives him the round. Merchant isnt much better.

This does tell you how Lederman would pretty much score Floyd vs Margarito/Cotto. He's going to give them that win and fans will believe it because for some reason it always convinces people what the house judge thinks

**siablo14** · 06-09-2008, 08:12 PM

Originally posted by DLT

This is a """"PART 1"""" of a long 2 Page story so its up to you if you want to read it but I had a few thoughts.

I just rewatched this fight for the 1st time in years and I cant believe that some people had this fight so close, including myself. I dont remember how I scored it but I know that I felt that it was a tough close fight. Rewatching it today I had it easily 8 rounds to 1. The only round I gave Chavez was the 2nd. I think there was one more round like the 5th or 6th where you may couldve gave Chavez the round if you really steteched it but I dont even believe that. Dont get me wrong, Chavez was game and fought a tough fight but Floyd was clearly picking alot of his shots off and countering with a bunch of pure accurate shots that was consistently snapping Chavez head back.

The reason why I titled this thread like I did because my point is that I felt people were giving Chavez some rounds just due to the fact that Floyd hadnt had hardly any tough fights to that point and he had blown alot of top guys away in just a few rounds. If anyone goes back and rewatches that whole fight right now then there is no way that people wouldve had that fight close. Merchant & Lederman were giving Chavez some rounds that I didnt even think were that close. Thats the standard Floyd was held to at that time. I remember back then that a ton of people felt that the corner made a bad stoppage and I did too but now that seems like a good stoppage as he was nearly getting shutout and taking alot of punishment.

The fight also made me think about Floyd's career. I always say that I cant believe that people think he is boring. I always say that its like people only remember Floyd's fight with Baldy & Oscar which also just happenend to be the 2 biggest guys he's ever fought. He had a bunch of exciting fights at 130 where he stopped 20 or 27 guys. Then at LW he had that great fight with N'Dou. At 140 he dropped Chop twice in an exciting fight while stopping Bruseles & Gatti. At WW he had a great fight with Zab while stopping Mitchell & Hatton. I cant believe that everyone thinks he is boring or has had all boring fights. Its so not true.

the posters who said he has never had and exciting probably never started following his career until he faced baldy.

**Thread Stealer** · 06-09-2008, 10:57 PM

Of course he was not unbeatable.

Floyd was/is a special fighter, but not unbeatable. No one really is.

Those who did retire undefeated, or never lost until after their prime, well things could've been different under different eras, different judges, referees, etc...

Floyd vs Jesus Chavez- Was Floyd Unbeatable?