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  • KING •
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    Pavlik dilemma for Calzaghe

    Gary Lockett was the Brit taking the blows at the weekend, but, as usual, it was Joe Calzaghe and Ricky Hatton stealing the headlines.

    Cwmbran’s Lockett, a compatriot and stable-mate of super-middleweight and light-heavyweight king Calzaghe, was outclassed and overpowered by American Kelly Pavlik in Atlantic City on Saturday.

    And so clinical was Pavlik’s dismissal of Lockett - the Welshman’s corner threw in the towel in the third round following a third knockdown - talk immediately turned to a clash with Calzaghe this autumn.

    Calzaghe’s promoter Frank Warren met Pavlik’s promoter Bob Arum last week, but also held talks with Don King, who represents four-weight world champion Roy Jones Jr.

    “The fights are out there and can be made,” said Warren after watching Pavlik’s dismantling of Lockett. “Now it is really up to Joe.

    “Gary didn’t perform against Pavlik and made him look brilliant, but it would be a different story against Joe.

    “Pavlik fights in straight lines and is easy to hit and he wouldn’t look so good when Joe got inside, hit him with right hands and put him on the back foot. But either Pavlik or Jones would be a massive fight for Joe.”

    Pavlik, a native of Youngstown, Ohio and a hero of America’s rust belt, certainly has more to gain from a match with Calzaghe than Calzaghe himself.

    “They want me to fight Godzilla, then I’ll fight Godzilla,” said WBC and WBO middleweight champion Pavlik, aware that while two wins over Jermain Taylor may have cemented his claim as undisputed middleweight king, a stellar scalp like Calzaghe would ensure him superstar status.

    Arum, who promoted middleweight legends Marvin Hagler and Carlos Monzon, publicly claims Pavlik is better than both, and the 26-year-old would probably represent a bigger risk for Calzaghe than the 39-year-old Jones, who has been on the slide now for four or five years.

    Pavlik, while fairly easy to hit, punches hard and fights beautifully on the back foot. As an added incentive, a win over Calzaghe could make him the first man since Henry Armstrong in the 1930s to be a world champion at three different weights simultaneously.

    In addition, beating a future Hall of Famer in Jones would probably do more for Calzaghe’s legacy than a win over the younger, hungrier Pavlik, as perverse as that may seem to some.

    Warren has reportedly sealed a 15 November slot with American network HBO, but Arum would prefer any fight to take place on 18 October.

    As for Hatton, Floyd Mayweather’s announcement that he is to hang up his gloves would appear to have kiboshed the Manchester fighter’s dreams of a rematch.

    However, Mayweather has ‘retired’ twice before, most recently before his 10th-round stoppage of Hatton in Las Vegas last December, and few expect the 31-year-old to keep his promise.

    Indeed, reports in the American media suggest Mayweather, who was due to have a rematch with Oscar de la Hoya in September, is simply stalling in an attempt to ratchet up interest in the fight and, subsequently, his pay.

    It would surprise nobody if Mayweather, a man motivated almost entirely by money, were to retire after that fight, too, before returning to face Hatton at some point in 2009.
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    Pavlik Vs Calzaghe - Greatest Fight Of The Decade
    And One For The Record Books

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    • Kris Silver
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      Where's the real dilemna for Calzaghe lol? Where are these articles coming from, really needs to state if it's personal or from a reputable site, or what site etc.

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      • abadger
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        I guess the dilemma is who he chooses to face. The young prime champ who boosts his reputation or the aging megastar who boosts his bank balance.

        I much prefer the Pavlik option, since at the end of the day Jones will still be there afterwards for Calzaghe if he really wants him.

        I am however beginning to wonder how keen the Pavlik camp can realistically be about putting him in with Joe. This is a guy with an 0 who is starting to look like the real deal at MW and I don't see why they'd want him to risk it.

        Unless I am underestimating Calzaghe's popularity and fame in the US, surely there are even more lucrative fights out there for Pavlik against established US fighters like Winky Wright? I don't really know that much about the likely PPV outcomes of such fights so perhaps someone could tell me?

        The boxing fans at the Pavlik - Lockett fight may have cheered when Kellerman floated the idea of a Calzaghe fight to Pavlik, but presumably they are fans of his and are certain that he would win. I'm not so sure Loew, Arum and Pavlik himself would be so certain, and would HBO and even America itself want to risk one of their only remaining P4P guys, who is going to be a huge star if he keeps the wins coming, losing a little of his sparkle by losing to a European fighter like Calzaghe. Pavlik himself said no-one knows who the euros are, so how would it look in the states if he lost to one?

        I'm not sure this fight carries very good risk/ reward for Kelly, unless I am wrong and a Calzaghe fight is financially the biggest he can make right now.

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          Originally posted by abadger
          I guess the dilemma is who he chooses to face. The young prime champ who boosts his reputation or the aging megastar who boosts his bank balance.

          I much prefer the Pavlik option, since at the end of the day Jones will still be there afterwards for Calzaghe if he really wants him.

          I am however beginning to wonder how keen the Pavlik camp can realistically be about putting him in with Joe. This is a guy with an 0 who is starting to look like the real deal at MW and I don't see why they'd want him to risk it.

          Unless I am underestimating Calzaghe's popularity and fame in the US, surely there are even more lucrative fights out there for Pavlik against established US fighters like Winky Wright? I don't really know that much about the likely PPV outcomes of such fights so perhaps someone could tell me?

          The boxing fans at the Pavlik - Lockett fight may have cheered when Kellerman floated the idea of a Calzaghe fight to Pavlik, but presumably they are fans of his and are certain that he would win. I'm not so sure Loew, Arum and Pavlik himself would be so certain, and would HBO and even America itself want to risk one of their only remaining P4P guys, who is going to be a huge star if he keeps the wins coming, losing a little of his sparkle by losing to a European fighter like Calzaghe. Pavlik himself said no-one knows who the euros are, so how would it look in the states if he lost to one?

          I'm not sure this fight carries very good risk/ reward for Kelly, unless I am wrong and a Calzaghe fight is financially the biggest he can make right now.

          Pavlik doesnt care about risk-reward ratios yet...he's young and a loss to an ATG wouldn't tarnish him that much, not that I think he'll lose to Joe, just saying it wouldn't destroy his status

          get it on....Imagine what hes gonna be like after he beats Joe....every one will want a piece of him....no m ore Youngstown burgers for that kid

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            I'd pick Pavlik over Calzaghe any ****ing day.

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              The fights risky for the both of them for sure, but I think that's what excites both these guys. Calzaghe has for a couple of years now said he only wants to fight dangerous opponents he can get motivated for. To varying degrees thats been the case. It'd risk his SMW reign somewhat if he lost, but that spurs him on in training, and gets him rialled and pumped for it.

              Arum seems to want the Calzaghe fight largely based on the money if you ask me, not that controversial an assessment of a promoter. He said countless of times in the post Lockett conference, Pavlik Calzaghe would be a massive fight in history, would really bring massive stardom to Pavlik.

              Pavlik himself said he'll fight whoever they decide to put infront of him, as if saying he has little input or interest in the decisions, put me in with a gorilla I'll moan but fight him. Pavlik would be respected even for making it close I think, and be able to salvage his reputation easier than Joe.
              Last edited by Kris Silver; 06-09-2008, 10:48 AM.

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              • sparked_85
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                Pavlik is the best style match-up for Calzaghe.

                Even Frank Warren knows that.

                I think it's the least risk fight for Joe. I'd make Joe a massive favourite. Not so much against Jones or Dawson.

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                  Its the best fight for both fighters - someone make it happen. RJJ is just too old and Pavlik is the real danger man.

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                    Originally posted by ani4ani
                    Its the best fight for both fighters - someone make it happen. RJJ is just too old and Pavlik is the real danger man.
                    I think RJJ would be really competive against Joe and might even win.

                    I also think Joe probably beasts Pavlik. Am I alone in this?

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