Calzaghe/Pavlik: Risking a Legacy

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  • wayno
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    Calzaghe/Pavlik: Risking a Legacy

    For every fan but the most ardent distracters, Joe Calzaghe has built an impressive set of accomplishments. He ranks in the very rare air of fighters who have successfully defended a title for 10 or more years. He remains undefeated. He has stepped in the ring with a host of current and former champions and dispatched with every one of them. Rare are controversial decisions in a Calzaghe bout – the majority are as starkly clear cut as the unprotected Brazilian rainforest. Calzaghe is a winner and he leaves no doubt about it. His record stands at 45 wins (32 by way of KO), with no losses and no draws and no no-contests. He is likely the best super middleweight of all-time. When we add it all up, it is a list of accomplishments that forms a legacy – a legacy worth protecting..

    Joe Calzaghe is 36 years old. By boxing standards and by chronological standards for nearly every sport, this is no spring chicken. But Calzaghe has not been in any wars over his career and he is not as battle-warn as most fighters that enter the sunsets of their careers. Amazingly, his has been a path that has “aged” in virtually the exact opposite of many fighters.

    Calzaghe was a young fighter who had alarmingly good power – 19 of his first 20 wins came by way of knockout or TKO. In fact, 30 of his first 33 wins came by way of the knockout. But unlike many KO artists, Calzaghe was generating his knockouts based on his speed, not on any one-punch knockout power. In spite of his huge KO ratio in his early career, he was not a KO-artist per se, but rather a speedster that made the adage “speed kills” come to life. At around mid-career and after 10 title defenses, it became evident that Calzaghe likely had brittle hands and would need to rely almost exclusively on his speed for the balance of his career.

    What makes this a bit unusual is that most fighters that rely on speed in the early part of their careers find that their speed leaves them before their power does. Joe Calzaghe has been just the opposite – his power is somewhat diminished, but (at least until 2005), his speed seemed to continue to improve.

    But alas, speed does eventually slip and when it does, many fighters have avoided looking like they were on the down-slope of their careers by changing their styles. By sitting down on their punches and adding more power to their game, many former speedsters have avoided (at least temporarily) looking as if they were “past-it”.

    Calzaghe’s speed is slipping. Many feel his speed was at its peak in his 2005 fight against Mario Veit. If “speed kills” was ever the cliché for a bout, this was it. Calzaghe was amazingly fast and any fan that saw that bout was handed a treat in seeing what hand-speed is supposed to be all about. But it marked the pinnacle of what any speedster can look like. Was Calzaghe able to use his speed and movement and unusual southpaw style to hand the promising Jeff Lacy a one-sided loss like we rarely see at that level of the sport? Only a solid “yes” could be the appropriate response. But for the serious observer, Calzaghe’s speed looked just a click slower then a year or so earlier.

    A little more than a half-year later, Calzaghe would find himself in the ring against the “I’m here to make you look bad”, Sakio Bika. It was an ugly fight and Calzaghe did walk away with a convincing win (177-110 on two cards and 116-111 on the other). But again, an observer (no longer needing to be a keen or serious observer), saw that Calzaghe’s speed was not where it once was.

    Although we learned little to nothing about Calzaghe in his fight against Manfredo, even the casual observer was at least able to walk away with a minor truth about the bout. Calzaghe’s hands remained brittle. He suffered a hand injury in throwing one of his famous “slapping” combinations and to make matters worse, he injured his hand while not throwing with much authority. Were we watching the likely end of Calzaghe ever using his hands to score a legitimate KO ever again?

    In his bout against Mikkel Kessler, some observers thought Kessler was unusually stiff and unusually lacking in the typical aggression of his. To be sure, Calzaghe had mastered the art of keeping an opponent from finding his rhythm, but few feel that they were watching Kessler at the top of his game. Add to this the rumors that Kessler had injured his hand in training and the fight begins to look like less than it may have been. Most importantly, Calzaghe again did not look as fast as he had in 2005 against Veit. It was now apparent that Calzaghe might very well be much closer to the sunset of his career than any one had imagined.

    To say that Calzaghe’s win over the cagey veteran Bernard Hopkins was an ugly mess, would be an under statement. Granted, Hopkins can make a world-class runway model look awkward and ugly, but something was missing.

    Calzaghe used to be able to use his speed in two primary ways – one to slap and the other to eventually sit down a bit on a straight punch every now and again. The straight punching from Calzaghe had completely vanished.

    The speedster, who typically extends his career by sitting down on his punches, was not going to be the way Calzaghe would do it. Instead he was going to “wow” the judges with a great work-rate, but even the ardent Calzaghe fan could see that speed was being tarnished with the excessive slapping.

    This leads us up to a possible match-up of Joe Calzaghe against the rising super-star Kelly Pavlik. One fighter is on the rise and the other is on the decline. It would normally be a classic match-up for this reason alone. But the Calzaghe legacy is as frail as his hands. His speed is slipping and he never learned the typical path of a speedster extending a career by shifting to a use of power. Calzaghe could not take this path because his brittle hands would not allow it. So we are left with a fighter who has perceptibly slowed and is unable to reach into his gut to use power. And this is the story of diminished speed, unusable power and the inevitable ravages of father time all coming together to place a frail legacy at great risk.

    Should Calzaghe climb into the ring against the very dangerous and clearly in his prime Kelly Pavlik and win, the upside for his legacy would be obvious. All fans that see the Calzaghe legacy as frail would finally need to give him his due. However, should Calzaghe take his diminished speed and unusable power into the ring and lose, the loss will be huge. Calzaghe would be criticized for losing to a middleweight and he would be criticized for losing to who many will feel is the first legitimate, in-prime competition of his career.

    Why would Joe Calzaghe place so much at risk for one fight? I say let the cries of his detractors slowly echo into the past. Should he end his career with a likely win over Roy Jones, Jr., he will end an illustrious career, full of amazing accomplishments with an unblemished record – a feat that is so rarely accomplished that it could only add to his eventual legacy. A loss to Pavlik would likely tarnish his legacy in an irreparable manner.

    Should Joe Calzaghe risk so much for a bout against Kelly Pavlik? Only he can decide if it is worth it. What do you think?
  • The Wire
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    Great article, did you write it?

    But I think Calzaghe should fight Pavlik, for the reasons you stated there. Even if he does lose, people will accept that he was getting a bit long in the tooth and it won't really detract from his accomplishments. But if he did win he would have to go down as an ATG (awaits the Yanks protests), as he unified the titles at super middleweight, is the linear light heavyweight champion and has 21 defences (2 more than Hopkins and against just as good opposition). Add to all that a victory over the most lethal fighter at or around his weight, a young up and coming undefeated ****er, then I really think he solidifies his position as the best ever British fighter and truly one of the best of all time.

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    • abadger
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      A well written article, although I feel that in your final analysis you focussed perhaps a little too much on Calzaghe's speed as the method by which he wins fights. Against Kessler I wouldn't say he relied on his speed that much at all, because as you point out it has declined. More than anything Joe won that fight through the simple expedient of his positioning and distance from Kessler, moving very cleverly, but not massively faster than his opponent, so to always be able to throw his shots and get away clean without Kessler being able to retaliate. Speed is part of Joe's arsenal, but I don't believe it his his biggest weapon, just the most superficially obvious.

      As for Pavlik, you are right that the scenario looks on paper to be a risky one for Joe, since no-one can say that a young up and coming fighter like Pavlik might not even be better than Joe ever was, and be capable of handing out an upset. I don't believe Kelly pavlik is that fighter though. Stylistically, Kelly could not be better for Joe, an aggressive and attacking fighter with no great speed or particularly original gameplan, whereas Joe's style is best described as an "aggressive counterpuncher" who does not so much wait for an opening to throw a punch, as move into position to create an opening to throw a flurry. Against someone like Pavlik, Joe should have no trouble creating those kind of openings whatsoever.

      Another important factor is that, at bottom, Kelly Pavlik's biggest asset is his punching power, which ultimately has been the reason that he has won each of his biggest fights against Miranda and Taylor. Effectively he just breaks his opponent down to the point that they are either KOd or so exhausted that they cannot throw back enough to match him. What really, are the chances that Kelly Pavlik will be able to do this to Joe Calzaghe, who is at his most vulnerable when having to force the fight himself and leave himself exposed to counters? He will not have to force the fight against Kelly Pavlik, Joe will be able to wait for Kelly to throw, move and flurry back, his favourite tactic. Doubtless Kelly will catch Joe a few times, but will it happen often enough to break Joe down, and will any one shot be enough to stop Joe? Both have to be pretty doubtful, since Joe is both very hard to hit for aggressive fighters and has one of the very best chins in boxing today.

      I wouldn't for a second rule out the possibility of a Kelly pavlik win, but I suspect that for it to happen Joe really will have to have become much older and slower than he has shown himself to be so far. Remember, it was not so long ago he completely outclassed Kessler, who many think is a better fighter than Kelly Pavlik, and he very recently beat Bernard Hopkins, who despite his age was no joke whatsoever, and was a stylistic nightmare for Joe, rather than the favourable style clash presented by Pavlik.

      My pick in this one is Joe Calzaghe to win by decision, and to look impressive doing so. I think even an older, slower Joe is a class above Kelly Pavlik, and that even though Kelly is an excellent fighter, stylistically and physically, he just does not have the tools required to beat Joe, which from where I stand are not the physical gifts power and stamina, but the technical ones of timing, movement and positioning.

      If I were Kelly Pavlik, I simply would not take this fight.

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      • Mozza
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        That is a fantastic article. Personally, of the potential opponenets that have been mentioned for Calzaghe, Pavlik is by far the most dangerous and I feel it is the fight that should be made if Joe really wants to bow out of boxing on a high.

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        • Reggie Miller
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          calzaghe UD12.

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          • Ryn0
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            I read this on ESB good article. Yes. i do think Calzaghe should fight Pavlik. It'll be the real stamp at the end of his profile. Beating THREE younger, hard-hitting, Prime fighters not many people can say they've beaten the next generation of fighters but Calzaghe can.

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            • Kris Silver
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              Originally posted by Ryno113
              I read this on ESB good article. Yes. i do think Calzaghe should fight Pavlik. It'll be the real stamp at the end of his profile. Beating THREE younger, hard-hitting, Prime fighters not many people can say they've beaten the next generation of fighters but Calzaghe can.
              So this was an article on ESB, not by the thread starter? Hmm dunno, few to many mentions of the world slap for me. Pretty good article though.

              I agree it's a much bigger risk fighting Pavlik, renown no.1 in his division, very dangerous opponent, young, close to his prime. Calzaghe's the opposite, he's lost his KO power, some of his speed, movement. Still those attributes are high, and are what won him fights against Lacy, Kessler and Hopkins.

              Not sure why Kesslers performance was being questioned so much in the opening post, there's no general agreement on that to the extent made out. There were claims of hands injuries and his not sparring much. They've been given some credit but no much, Kessler was throwing very hard shots with no problems. Calzaghe just out worked, boxed and classed Kessler, and Lacy, amongst many others in his career, it makes his opponents look bad. He spoils ppl's boxing in Kesslers own words, obviously just couldn't work against the renown spoiler in Hopkins.

              On Calzaghe's site there's actually fairly recent quotes of him re-iterating only fighting once more, which I'll post later. So as great at Pavlik first, then RJJ 2nd makes sense for many many reasons (age, name, hype, money) it's not as likely as many think. That's a shame but I respect Calzaghe, he is risking his reign. The only thing is beating Pavlik means he'd hold his SMW reign in tact. Taking on RJJ afterwards would be at LHW so not as risky, and win or lose would be such a cracking historical fight almost impossible to turn down, but he's a very determined man so it's very possible he'll stick to his word.

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              • IMDAZED
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                There not gonna put Pavlik in the ring with Calzaghe anytime soon. And with good reason - he's simply not ready. And a two round beatdown of Gary Lockett doesn't change that. Pavlik will take on Rubio next and possibly Arthur Abraham (should he get past Miranda) next.

                Really, there isn't anyone left for Joe to fight that will bring big dollars and enhance his legacy. It should've happened years ago when these fighters were in their prime. Beating them now means little. So unless Calzaghe wants to take a risk and fight a Glen Johnson, he really has no choice but to face an old Jones.

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                • hookoutofhell
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                  i read this aricle yesterday on east side boxing and i thought it was a really good informative and well written piece.

                  agree with what abadger wrote as well sometimes calzaghes ring smarts and overall ring generalship are not given enough credit as his speed, stamina and chin. calzaghe is a master of timing and adapting and proved against hopkins that he can out think and out manouvre the best boxing brain in the buisness.

                  kellys style is tailor made for calzaghe and i really cant see there being too much of a problem for calzaghe. i can see calzaghe taking the fight though if he thinks that he still needs to prove something or if he feels as though another big payday is needed.
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                  • cuzfozzy
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                    Pavlik is the one and only fighter that Calzaghe should consider fighting
                    beating roy jones who has been kayod twice would mean absolutely nothing
                    for his finale Calzaghe should fight Pavlik then retire as the greatest
                    fighter ever, never defeated ...

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