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  • abadger
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    If Mayweather Is Really Gone

    Whatever anyone says about Floyd Mayweather, whether it be he is a cowardly ducker or that he is the ATG #1, there is one thing I genuinely believe that no-one here will argue with, and that is that he is the most talented boxer that currently exists on earth. Whether you like the man or dislike him, I think we all know in our hearts that this is the truth.

    And now he is retired. Well, maybe he is and maybe he isn't. I for one think we will see the Floyd in the ring again, but whether we like to admit it or not, both haters and fans will be clamouring for his return until the day it happens. His haters will say he has to come back in order to prove himself, and his fans will call for him to prove that he doesn't, but both ultimately will be asking for the same thing. But what happens if this time he really means it?

    I'll tell you. If Floyd Mayweather has fought his last fight then we will have lost two things, two things that should be important to boxing fans of all stripes, whichever side of the Mayweather divide they may lie on. The first is simple, we will have lost the best boxer we have, and as boxing fans we all should be big enough to admit it. Whatever we may feel or think about Mayweather personally, if we truly love the sport we ought to be able to to acknowledge that losing its best exponent, the only fighter right now we know for sure is going to be somewhere on that ATG list, is a sad day indeed. Mayweather might be top 100, 50, 20 or 10 but there is no doubt that he is on there somewhere, and there is not a single prime fighter out there right now about whom we can say the same thing. Love him or hate him, Mayweather was and is one of the very best.

    The second thing we have lost if Floyd really has gone, and which we will lose tomorrow even if we have not really lost it today, is much more ephemeral and also much more concrete. We will have lost a way of looking at boxing. As fans of boxing in the current era, our appreciation of boxing and boxers has, without our even acknowledging it or realising it, always been filtered through the Mayweather lens.

    Look at the posts dominating the first page of this forum right now, in the immediate aftermath of Floyd's supposed retirement. "Joe Calzaghe is P4P #1", "Is Pacman Now Boxing's P4P", "What do You Think Of Floyd not Fighting the Cotto/ Marg Winner" etc etc. Every single one of them is predicated on one thing: the absence of Floyd Mayweather Junior from boxing.

    No matter who you are a fan of, no matter what your specific take on boxing is, Floyd retiring has just changed your world. If you are a Pac or Calzaghe fan, suddenly your talk about your guy being the best stopped being just talk. If you follow Cotto or Margarito your guy just went from fighting for second place to fighting for genuine welterweight supremacy. If you are an old school boxing fan you are asking yourself where, really does Floyd fit into this picture. Even more importantly, if you are a Floyd fan, as I believe probably most of the posters on here are, you are now contemplatiing a boxing world that is so radically different from before that it might very well never hold the same lustre for you ever again. The thing is, no matter how much many people might try to deny it, the Floyd fans are not alone. If Floyd really means it this time and he is really gone for good, then all of us are now looking at a radically different boxing world, and that is all down to Floyd Mayweather.

    So what does all of this mean? You might say nothing, you might say Floyd will be back. Maybe he will. But maybe he won't, and even if he is, this day will come for real sometime, and all the posts, all the talk we are having now, will in the end have to deal with the reality of a retired Floyd Mayweather, and whether it's now, next week or next year, it won't really matter, the effect will be the same. When it does, if it has, let me ask you all to do something. Just for a moment and whatever you think of the man, whether you like him or loathe him, take a moment to appreciate him for what he is, the best practitioner of boxing today and the best we will see for a while. We all have our favourites boxers, and they all may have more appealing styles and personalities than does Floyd, but there is one thing we can say for sure: not a single one of them out there today is even close to being in the same class as a boxer, and as boxing fans it befits us to acknowledge and admire him for it, because twenty years from now every single one of us will be doing exactly that.

    When the next generation asks us "Who was Floyd Mayweather?" we will be the only people in history lucky enough to be able to tell them:

    "I knew who he was, I saw him fight, I saw him go out, and he was the best of his time."

    No-one else will ever be able to say the same, so lets all of us realise how lucky we are.
    Last edited by abadger; 06-06-2008, 08:55 PM.
  • Bea5T
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    #2
    a non floyd hate thread made by a calzaghe fan?


    hell has just frozen over

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    • Burner
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      #3
      Damn great post by one of the best posters on this site.

      I agree whole heartedly.

      Although Floyd aint retired.....not at all...

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      • Horus
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        #4
        Originally posted by abadger
        Whatever anyone says about Floyd Mayweather, whether it be he is a cowardly ducker or that he is the ATG #1, there is one thing I genuinely believe that no-one here will argue with, and that is that he is the most talented boxer that currently exists on earth. Whether you like the man or dislike him, I think we all know in our hearts that this is the truth.

        And now he is retired. Well, maybe he is and maybe he isn't. I for one think we will see the Floyd in the ring again, but whether we like to admit it or not, both haters and fans will be clamouring for his return until the day it happens. His haters will say he has to come back in order to prove himself, and his fans will call for him to prove that he doesn't, but both ultimately will be asking for the same thing. But what happens if this time he really means it?

        I'll tell you. If Floyd Mayweather has fought his last fight then we will have lost two things, two things that should be important to boxing fans of all stripes, whichever side of the Mayweather divide they may lie on. The first is simple, we will have lost the best boxer we have, and as boxing fans we all should be big enough to admit it. Whatever we may feel or think about Mayweather personally, if we truly love the sport we ought to be able to to acknowledge that losing its best exponent, the only fighter right now we know for sure is going to be somewhere on that ATG list, is a sad day indeed. Mayweather might be top 100, 50, 20 or 10 but there is no doubt that he is on there somewhere, and there is not a single prime fighter out there right now about whom we can say the same thing. Love him or hate him, Mayweather was and is one of the very best.

        The second thing we have lost if Floyd really has gone, and which we will lose tomorrow even if we have not really lost it today, is much more ephemeral and also much more concrete. We will have lost a way of looking at boxing. As fans of boxing in the current era, our appreciation of boxing and boxers has, without our even acknowledging it or realising it, always been filtered through the Mayweather lens.

        Look at the posts dominating the first page of this forum right now, in the immediate aftermath of Floyd's supposed retirement. "Joe Calzaghe is P4P #1", "Is Pacman Now Boxing's P4P", "What do You Think Of Floyd not Fighting the Cotto/ Marg Winner" etc etc. Every single one of them is predicated on one thing: the absence of Floyd Mayweather Junior from boxing.

        No matter who you are a fan of, no matter what your specific take on boxing is, Floyd retiring has just changed your world. If you are a Pac or Calzaghe fan, suddenly your talk about your guy being the best stopped being just talk. If you follow Cotto or Margarito your guy just went from fighting for second place to fighting for genuine welterweight supremacy. If you are an old school boxing fan you are asking yourself where, really does Floyd fit into this picture. Even more importantly, if you are a Floyd fan, as I believe probably most of the posters on here are, you are now contemplatiing a boxing world that is so radically different from before that it might very well never hold the same lustre for you ever again. The thing is, no matter how much many people might try to deny it, the Floyd fans are not alone. If Floyd really means it this time and he is really gone for good, then all of us are now looking at a radically different boxing world, and that is all down to Floyd Mayweather.

        So what does all of this mean? You might say nothing, you might say Floyd will be back. Maybe he will. But maybe he won't, and even if he is, this day will come for real sometime, and all the posts, all the talk we are having now, will in the end have to deal with the reality of a retired Floyd Mayweather, and whether it's now, next week or next year, it won't really matter, the effect will be the same. When it does, if it has, let me ask you all to do something. Just for a moment and whatever you think of the man, whether you like him or loathe him, take a moment to appreciate him for what he is, the best practitioner of boxing today and the best we will see for a while. We all have our favourites boxers, and they all may have more appealing styles and personalities than does Floyd, but there is one thing we can say for sure: not a single one of them out there today is even close to being in the same class as a boxer, and as boxing fans it befits us to acknowledge and admire him for it, because twenty years from now every single one of us will be doing exactly that.

        When the next generation asks us "Who was Floyd Mayweather?" we will be the only people in history lucky enough to be able to tell them:

        "I knew who he was, I saw him fight, I saw him go out, and he was the best of his time."

        No-one else will ever be able to say the same, so lets all of us realise how lucky we are.

        ................
        Perfect Post

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        • Kris Silver
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          #5
          Agree in part with the above comment in abadger showing he's one of the best posters on here, not a Floyd fan, yet there early on to show appreciation that might not work every which way, top form. A Calzaghe fan, but more importantly a boxing fan got it covered well right here. Makes you think. Whether Floyd is really retiring or not. One must appreciate Floyd. It's a shame were losing that talent so early on. I personally feel gratitude for Mr M, but also one must question the form and loyalty of a boxer leaving so early, on a 0, with many q's and big fights ahead - but he's undeniably an absolute great, and boxing shall greatly miss him, shame.

          Let's hope someone can boost some passion and loyalty into boxing because goddam it's gonna need not only that but everyone pulling together after losing the undeniable p4p no. 1.
          Last edited by Kris Silver; 06-06-2008, 09:12 PM.

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          • abadger
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            Dear boxingscene.

            Floyd Mayweather, the greatest boxer of our time, said he retired tonight and we're already fighting over his P4P leftovers and bickering about racism. Since we are all boxing fans, please read my thread instead, because at the end of the day it will be more enjoyable.

            abadger

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            • abadger
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              I will keep bumping this until it gets more replies. It took me ****ing ages.

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              • El Jesus
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                Originally posted by abadger
                I will keep bumping this until it gets more replies. It took me ****ing ages.
                You wont. You arent taking a side and you are looking at it from the most truthful possible angle. There are some diehard ''fans" who are logical in most aspects of their posting EXCEPT when they talk about mayweather. Its either one side or the other, looking at it from the angle that makes the most sense, which is that mayweathers name has polarized and captivated us for the last few years, isnt going to get you any replies. You arent ripping him, and you arent praising him, thus you are stuck with being right, but also no one caring because it forces some of these *******s to admit that as much they claim to hate him, they cant stop talking about him.

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                • abadger
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by Black Jesus
                  You wont. You arent taking a side and you are looking at it from the most truthful possible angle. There are some diehard ''fans" who are logical in most aspects of their posting EXCEPT when they talk about mayweather. Its either one side or the other, looking at it from the angle that makes the most sense, which is that mayweathers name has polarized and captivated us for the last few years, isnt going to get you any replies. You arent ripping him, and you arent praising him, thus you are stuck with being right, but also no one caring because it forces some of these *******s to admit that as much they claim to hate him, they cant stop talking about him.
                  Thanks. This is a consistent problem for me. Sometimes I resort to posting the most ludicrous threads imaginable because everything serious I do is roundly ignored. Ahh Boxingscene, how I love thee! Now if I could just give up caring about anyone reading my threads I will have achieved some sort of superficial enlghtenment.

                  BTW: Jesus is definitely black. I drew a picture of him once at school and got soundly bollocked.

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                  • El Jesus
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                    Originally posted by abadger
                    Thanks. This is a consistent problem for me. Sometimes I resort to posting the most ludicrous threads imaginable because everything serious I do is roundly ignored. Ahh Boxingscene, how I love thee! Now if I could just give up caring about anyone reading my threads I will have achieved some sort of superficial enlghtenment.

                    BTW: Jesus is definitely black. I drew a picture of him once at school and got soundly bollocked.
                    I mean, truthfully its always been this way. When roy jones was on top, he was hated on by a multitude of people on here, along with the tyson comebacks, the rise of the Wlad brothers, i mean this board has seen different phases, but nothing like mayweather. its hilarious when people talk about how he wont be remembered at all, or hes not an all time great, or has no legacy, or how his resume is handpicked etc. Its just a consequence of being on top, everything you do is polarized and things dont settle until you get knocked off.

                    i remember ages ago, when people would discuss the most UNDERRATED fighters in the game, mayweathers name always came up, because people didint feel he really got his due, for the competition he was beating at the time. The guy was dominating everyone in front of him, and when fans on the AOL Boxing board ripped him for the castillo fight, he rematched him asap and beat him, there were no questions to be asked after that.

                    Things evolve, we will look for someone else to hate on or love at some point.

                    Either way, as far as jesus goes, i dont know what he looked like, im actually named after a song, haha.

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