What Fighter since 1980 has beaten the best competition.

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obiously you never boxed or never been briefed on the rules of boxing and what the actual job of the referee is.

There is...I repeat..There is an official that either signals a light along the ring aprons 4 diffent sides that there are 10 seconds left in the round or the pound the matt. When I boxed I had been party to both.

The Referee my friend is trained to be aware of this light or pounding when it goes off. This alerts the referee to be in position to step in when the round ends.... Based upon the rules of the state in the rounds leading up to the last round, the fighter can no be saved by the bell, so the referee stops the action but continues any count that was already n process. However, this is where you show you dont know the rules, and appears that you simply want to argue a point you have no experience in, In the last round depending upon the rules in that state the referee is instructed that if the bell rings and the fighter is on his feet or gets to his feet by the count of 10, that the fighters gets the benefit of the doubt.

Your statement or misstatement that the referee is not trained to be aware of all these counts is false, IT IS HIS JOB. I know we have to be briefed on the rules as well. The referee has be perfecltyl in sync with the timekeeper.. Remember the big deal with the Tyson-Douglas fight. The fighter takes his lead from the referee, but the referee is to have his count in sync at all times from the timekeeper. BTW, in this fight the referee should have know that the 10 second light or notification had happened. Chavez should have been instructed to retire to the farthest corner. The referee should have did his due diligece with Taylor which he did, and before stopping the fight. Taylor was up and looking at the referre with his gloves up, No he did not respond to a verbal indication given by Steele (which is steele's only saving grace) however Steele before stopping the fight should have factored in that this is the last round, there is not even enough time for Chavez to land another punch. thus Taylor would not be taking anymore damage. Thus allowing the fight to continue to the bell WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO!.

No one is saying that he was technically wrong, what the entire boxing world is saying is that He was wrong to stop this fight with 2 second left as Taylor would not have taken anymore shots, thus Steele was did nothing more to protect the fighter and yes it is his job to know that how much time is remaining in the round especially when the 10 second notice was given.

I suggest you learn about boxing the actual rules and guidlines that fighters and refereees are to follow and not just say what you hear an announcer say.

[Vasyl’s dad]

obiously you never boxed or never been briefed on the rules of boxing and what the actual job of the referee is.

There is...I repeat..There is an official that either signals a light along the ring aprons 4 diffent sides that there are 10 seconds left in the round or the pound the matt. When I boxed I had been party to both.

The Referee my friend is trained to be aware of this light or pounding when it goes off. This alerts the referee to be in position to step in when the round ends.... Based upon the rules of the state in the rounds leading up to the last round, the fighter can no be saved by the bell, so the referee stops the action but continues any count that was already n process. However, this is where you show you dont know the rules, and appears that you simply want to argue a point you have no experience in, In the last round depending upon the rules in that state the referee is instructed that if the bell rings and the fighter is on his feet or gets to his feet by the count of 10, that the fighters gets the benefit of the doubt.

Your statement or misstatement that the referee is not trained to be aware of all these counts is false, IT IS HIS JOB. I know we have to be briefed on the rules as well. The referee has be perfecltyl in sync with the timekeeper.. Remember the big deal with the Tyson-Douglas fight. The fighter takes his lead from the referee, but the referee is to have his count in sync at all times from the timekeeper. BTW, in this fight the referee should have know that the 10 second light or notification had happened. Chavez should have been instructed to retire to the farthest corner. The referee should have did his due diligece with Taylor which he did, and before stopping the fight. Taylor was up and looking at the referre with his gloves up, No he did not respond to a verbal indication given by Steele (which is steele's only saving grace) however Steele before stopping the fight should have factored in that this is the last round, there is not even enough time for Chavez to land another punch. thus Taylor would not be taking anymore damage. Thus allowing the fight to continue to the bell WOULD BE THE RIGHT THING TO DO!.

No one is saying that he was technically wrong, what the entire boxing world is saying is that He was wrong to stop this fight with 2 second left as Taylor would not have taken anymore shots, thus Steele was did nothing more to protect the fighter and yes it is his job to know that how much time is remaining in the round especially when the 10 second notice was given.

I suggest you learn about boxing the actual rules and guidlines that fighters and refereees are to follow and not just say what you hear an announcer say.

The refs major concern is the fighter and his ability to continue! Not the damn light in the corner.

The ref asked two ****ing times, TWICE, which I have already told you, if Meldrick Taylor was ok. He didn't respond. How do you let a fight at any stage continue of the fighter doesn't respond? It's simple logic in regards to the safety of the fighter. It was a wild moment, a hyped up crowd and things were happening very quickly. Steele was watching with the best view in the house, the type of punishment Meldrick was taking throughout the fight. He was able to gauge the impact of Chavez punches better than you through a tv screen. Taylor was so bad off at one point he threw a punch, missed and fell to the canvas! And you think Richard Steels main concern is the ****ing clock? How do you let a fighter continue after seeing him take incredible punishment for 12 rounds, fall from his own missed punch and not respond to a simple question that was asked twice "Are you ok? Are you ok?", while looking directly into bland eyes?

Gtfoh! It wasn't as bad a stoppage as some people try to make it seem when looking at the facts which I have clearly outlined for you.


I suggest you learn about human nature and quit acting like Richard Steele is a robot whose decisions are made on proper calculations.

[Kilrain]

Great thread, good for debate.

I disagree with people mentioning Evander.

I love the guy, but in terms of overall wins, he isn't one of the names that spring to mind when thinking back over the past quarter-century.

He did beat Bowe and Tyson but guys like Holmes and Foreman were past their prime, Moorer was a blown-up Lt-Heavy who was a bit of a flash-in-the-pan at heavyweight, Mercer of course was extremely inconsistant and susceptible to good technicians.

Ray Leonards wins over Duran, Hearns and Hagler are hard to argue with.

A nod to Salvador Sanchez - though of course he died in only 1982 from 1980 until his death he was a total beast, beating Azumah Nelson in his final fight and prior to that Ruben Castillo, Danny Lopez, Wilfredo Gomez, and Juan LaPorte, some of the great lower-weights fighters of the time.

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Your right it is the referee's prime concern for the safety of the fighter,,which is the reason for what follows:

1. Light goes off 10 seconds to alert the referee to position himself to be able to step in and PROTECT the fighter from unnecessary punches being landed after the bell.

2. Why is it that there is a generally accepted rule that (you chose to ignore) that the final bell saves the fight....Hmmm could it be because the fighter will not take any additional punishment? Hmmmm

3. Based on the fact mentioned above that the final bell can save a fighter since the fighter has made it to the entire fight, and can not take any more punishement,, Help us understand if you carry that same logic over, who damage would Taylor have taken had that fight continued. Could Chavez had landed another single punch if he was positioned where he should have been, an if he was not, then the referee should have motioned Chavez to the furthest neutral corner, which would have taken additional time.

I am not arguing the fact that he was asked twice to step forward and say if he was alright. That is true, however what you dont know and you show your ignorance of the sport, is that EVERY REFEREE, including other referee's that talked about that fight, when we are briefed (as boxers) that to be aware that with 10 seconds left in each round the referee will be closerto the action than normal and to be aware so to not accidently hit the refereee. Also the referees job is to know exactly how much time there is in each round, how many rounds left in each fight. While is primary concern is the safety of the fighter, he is alway trained to be aware of the time of the fight and to make decisions that if they will not lead to harm of the fighter, they can be beneficial to the fighers just like the final bell can save a fighter.

I know boxing son, I have boxed. I didnt learn it on a website or via debate. In reading your post your technically right. However there is a reason why in the boxing world it is considered the worst stoppage ever. This is not just debaters like yourself and I at this point, but experts, referees, fellow fighters who know the rules. They almost all point out that fight should not have been stopped.

Learn the facts!

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You also suggested learn human nature.. and that Taylor was taing a beating for 12 rounds. Did you know that Taylor was comfortably ahead n all the cards? Yes he took punishement, so did Leonard when his eye was closed vs hearns, or Ali when his jaw was broke, or Mayweather when he fought with a damaged shoulder, how many wars did Gotti go through, or Diego vs Castillo.

So your suggesting I learn human nature and also point out that Taylor should not be allowed the dignity of finishing a fight that was OVER... could not be hit again. I think most people in Richard Steele's position (as evidenced in discussions after the fight) would have allowed the 2 seconds to run out, since this was a championship fight, taylor could not take anymore punishement, and had Steele been on his JOB completley not just literally like your saying, he would have allowed the fighters to leave with their dignity, their safetly and allow the fight to have the ening it deserved.

[majestiC]

Morales

[Me La Pelan]

If you ask any fighter, manager, referee etc...except for Richard Steele, the will tell you the worst stoppage in boxing history is...Chavez vs Taylor.

I ask you how was he helping Taylor become safe if he was doing his job and enforced that Chavez go back to furthers corner, and knew that there was only 2 seconds left to go. Any idiot would know that Chavez would not have even been able to land a punch.

GET OVER IT PINK !!!! All Taylor had to do was say yes, **** even a nod would have done it. WTF is you'r point about 2 seconds left? I don't think you are a liscensed ref in boxing are you? Do you got the manual or something? Taylor was asked the simplest GED ****in question EVER and couldn't say ****! **** all the excuses, ........WHAT? did Taylor not see Steeles fingers in his face when giving the count? He didn't happen to know WTF a fighter does or is supposed to do after he gets up? He had ko'd mf'ers before he seen and knew what they did when they went down, HOW could he not know? When he goes down and gets up Taylor is looking in steeles eyes, steele's counting 7.....8.....9...... looking right into Meldricks eyes and then asked if he was ok twice and .......He asked if he was ok with 7 seconds left in the round after giving him a 9 count! then asked him again and waved it off with 4 seconds left (officially 2, but the clock is right there).

[Me La Pelan]

[QUOTE=wpink1;3556886]obiously you never boxed or never been briefed on the rules of boxing and what the actual job of the referee is.

In the last round depending upon the rules in that state the referee is instructed that if the bell rings and the fighter is on his feet or gets to his feet by the count of 10, that the fighters gets the benefit of the doubt.

Taylor was up and looking at the referre with his gloves up, No he did not respond to a verbal indication given by Steele (which is steele's only saving grace) QUOTE]

Pink .... you know you ****ed up right?????So you're saying that in some states if a fighter gets up to his feet... no matter his condition he is to be "given the benifit of the doubt"? That's bull****.
Taylor was up and looking at the ref with his gloves up??????????????
WTF are you talking about !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!I got the fight , the whole thing! Even after he waves off the fight taylor has his left hand on the top rope and his right hand on the second rope. HE NEVER LETS GO! Even after the ring is mobbed there is an angle (I've watched it hundreds of times) half a minute later he is still in the same corner holding the same ropes!!!!!

PROVING ONCE AGAIN
CHAVEZ 12 round KO JUSTIFIED