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most good fighters know how to dish a bit out if the other guy is doing it to them......
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LOL! Indeed! To many his name rings synonimous to "dirty". But he had a redeeming trait (sort of): he always told his opponent: "Pardon me" each time he fouled!
After having been at the receiving end of many of Fritzie's dirty tactics, Hank Armstrong grabbed Zivic's head in the 15th round of their first fight and screamed, "Fritzie, will you please cut out that 'Pardon me' and quit butting me?"
Fellow-Pittsburghers Zivic and Greb...I don't know which one was worse (or "better").
Edit: The worst I've seen (up close and personal) was a fighter from Ohio named Solomon Boysaw, a Jr. Lightweight back in the early 60's. Fought the likes of Arthur Persley, Flash Elorde, Vicente Rivas...
Or maybe I was just too young...Last edited by grayfist; 05-30-2008, 09:34 PM.Comment
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Nigel Benn was somehwhat dirtyComment
So you're saying that Nate Campbell, Montell Griffin and Hopkins are cheaters. So...why haven't they been disqualified? Certainly some referee must be on to this deception they are pulling and will disqualify them, right?
The reason they don't get disqualified is because they aren't cheaters. Cheating is rigging the judges or using performance-enhancing drugs. If two guys are fighting on the inside and one guy keeps his head low because of the possibility their heads clash, that isn't cheating: It's being smart. You will not get the worse of head clashes should they occur, which they do when you're an inside fighter.
This isn't amateur boxing where every borderline punch is heavily scrutinized. This is professional boxing, which is more physical than the amateurs. Compare the physicality of college ball to the NBA. The NBA is much more physical.
Professional boxing is for grown men only and if you can't take the heat then stay out of the kitchen. When the action is getting too physical and a boxer turns around to start petitioning the referee, that isn't a boxer trying to even the playing field, to me that's a character flaw. That's a sign of weakness, that this is getting a little too intense for me and I need the referee to slow this pace a little bit.
Think of it this way: If you say that someone using rough-housing tactics is a "cheater", I want you to be the one starting the petition to keep Evander Holyfield, Joel Casamayor, Eusebio Pedroza and Bernard Hopkins out of the Hall of Fame. Obviously these "cheaters" should not be allowed in the IBHOF, right? Let me know how that goes.
What is your criteria for fighters not being dirty, but bending the rules? Sam Peter's rabbit punches isn't cheating? Tito hitting someone low isn't cheating? What separates these two categories? For you to separate these two categories, there must be some sort of criteria. What is it, that you like what these other fighters do more?
Clearly the intents of Andrew Golata or Mike Tyson, guys who have been disqualified, were different than the aforementioned fighters. There is nothing strategic about biting a guys ear or hitting a guy in the groin time after time. Those guys are dirty fighters as a character flaw.Comment
**** Luis Resto and Panama Lewis.Comment
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