The Facts On Cotto/Margarito vs Floyd Opponents?

[DLT]

Its still shocking to me how Floyd gets straight up dissed for his last 4 fights. To me that is flat out hate with no substance behind it. 1st off he signed the Zab fight before Zab fought Baldy. Now no doubt he couldve canceled after the loss but it was a very narrow loss, Zab was real hot before that, and therefore many people still wanted to see these 2 highly skilled guys in the ring together. You cant deny that. The one's who ripped him said that if anything he should be fighting the real champ Baldomire. The next fight Floyd steps up and does that. Its like people forget that Baldy had just beat a red hot Zab who had been looking like a monster(e****ally in stopping Spinks), and he dominated Gatti. He also hadnt loss in like 8 years and was on the top of his game. Floyd basically shuts him out.

Then its such a joke to me how everyone rips his last 2 fights now because they werent quote on quote, WW fights. So what. He beat a guy in Oscar who had just decapitated Mayorga who alot of people still sweat and he was the smaller man by a ton. Then he follows that up by beating a guy in Hatton who was bigger then him in every single fight they have had. The guy was also a undfeated champ who was clearly the best man at 140 and had beaten a very good guy in Collazo at WW already. Stop acting like that is nothing. I guess Diaz shouldnt fight Pac and I guess a win over him means nothing because he is moving up? I guess Hopkins beating Calzaghe wouldve meant nothing? Thats Floyd's last 4 fights.

Now lets think about Cotto/Margarito. If Margarito had beat those same 4 guys then he would easily be a top P4P guy right now and if Cotto had beaten those guys then he would even be more hyped then he is now. Just look at the Zab fight. He fights Zab after Floyd beats him, after Zab had lost 2 in a row, after he was suspended for a year, after he hadnt won a fight in 2 years, and people act like he was the biggest star in boxing after that. They went crazy. Floyd did that even before then and he gets dissed for the fight? What about Cotto then beating Baldy after the Zab win and after he destroyed Gatti? What about Cotto shutting him out? Can you imagine Cotto beating Oscar "at" JMW after he just killed Mayorga in 4 rounds? How huge would that have been? You think he wouldve been ripped for not fighting a WW or have been getting mad praise for beating a JMW with mad skill? Then after that fighting a undefeated prime Hatton and winning by KO. Do you think Cotto wouldve been shorted for that? People wouldve been insane over him after that and those other wins.

Then lets look at Cotto's last 4 fights. He beat the legendary "Alphonso Gomez" straight from the hall of the Contender. He had the good win over Mosley but I just dont get how that win is so much better then the Oscar win considering Mosley just owned Collazo but Oscar decapitaed Mayorga and Cotto was clearly way bigger then Shane while Floyd was clearly way smaller then Oscar. Cotto then beat Zab and I already told you about that win. He then beats the even greater then Gomez, Oktay Urkal. What about Margarito's last 5 fights? He stops Cintron which Im still shocked that no one saw it coming after watching him fight Feliciano and others. Stops the great 7 loss Golden Johnson. He then loses to Williams when his hype was at an all time high. He barley gets by a guy in Clottey who was straight embarrasing him until that injury which everyone agrees. He then beat the legendary 10 loss old ass Manuel Gomez.

Its so funny because you hear alot of people now saying that those 2 should be rated over Floyd at WW because of there recent history. Im like, what are you talkin about? Are you insane? Margarito should be higher for beating Golden Johnson, Manuel Gomez, losing to Williams, gettinng own by Clottey before the injury, and beating a guy with no big win on his resume? Tell me how different things would look if Floyd had that same resume and Margarito had Floyd's resume. Margarito would already be over top Floyd and Floyd wouldnt even be a top 3 P4P guy anymore and probably lower then that. Maybe Cotto should be higher with his last 4 of Urkal, Zab after a 2 year losing streak, Mosley, and the great Alphonso Gomez. Imagine if Floyd had that resume in his last 4 fights? Floyd would be a nobody right now that wouldve already been stripped and clowned while Cotto would be a straight legend if he had Floyd's last 4 at the time that Floyd had them. Its a joke for people to say anything different. I just can understand how the stories get so twisted in the opposite direction.

[HitBattousai]

I wouldn't and most wouldn't argue I think, that Margarito's Welter resume is better than Floyd's. Margarito gets more respect in general these days though, because he at least, has shown willingness to fight anyone, unlike Floyd for the past few years, and because Floyd "ducked" him to fight Baldomir. Margarito has probably a better level of Welter opposition overall on his resume, but he's also got losses and unimpressive wins to go with that, giving Floyd the edge imo.

Cotto's Welter resume, most I think, including myself, would argue is better than Floyd's, mainly because you ignored a big name in your argument, and that name is Carlos Quintana, the current WBO champ, who was dominated by Cotto. But there are other reasons. The obvious is that most knew Hatton didn't have much hope against Floyd based on his lack of defense and the Collazo fight at Welter. Collazo is a good fighter but yes, Mosley did blow him away, and Hatton arguably lost to him(and was definitely the fighter in more trouble throughout their match). Cotto was also not that much bigger than Mosley, who was at least fairly decently proven as high as 154 pounds. And Mosley has two wins against Oscar/was more active. Baldomir was beaten more definitively by Forrest than by Floyd, and arguably lost to a journeyman in Luciano Perez(who Alfonso Gomez annihilated) since the Floyd fight. Oscar didn't look especially good against Forbes. Basically, there's a lot to devalue Floyd's wins, and Cotto's stock goes up with Quintana's win over Williams.

Keeping Hoya(even though technically that was 154) in the list to compare, it goes something like this imo.

UD win over Mosley > SD win over Oscar
stoppage win over Zab > UD win over Zab
stoppage win over Quintana > stoppage win over Hatton
stoppage win over Urkal = stoppage win over Mitchell
stoppage win over Gomez = UD win over Baldomir

Factoring in Oscar, I think Cotto still has a definitive edge. Factoring him out, it's not close at all. Floyd's career resume is better than Cotto's though.

[tito yuca]

Now THIS is "plain and basic common sense", not that ****** ethnic bias Mexicans have towards their hero Margarito. Another great post from DLT. Those people talk about Margarito's win streak to support their point that his early losses don't matter. Well, what about Baldomir's win streak? He beat Clottey (before Margarito did), and the undisputed champion in Judah. However, when Floyd shuts him out, he's a bum with 10 losses. Meanwhile, Tony loses to Williams, but he just had a bad night?!?! Get the **** out of here. ****in biased ignoramuses.