Does anyone here respect LINEAL championships?

[2501]

I too would prefer to see cotto/floyd sooner than later, but cotto needs to unify to generate the kind of interest that will get floyd into the ring with him.

Unify which belts?

[eazy_mas]

well belts makes fighters.

they fight for some saction intell they are a brand name in boxing.

without the belt they wont have the big fights.

for example Lockett and Thompson have a chance to prove the world what they are made of. they fought many contenders and elimination to get the belt.

but after the fighter gets the belt he other belts too so it a long proccess

[Boofdatruth]

With all these sanctioning bodies claiming world champions, I think it's more important than ever to recognize lineal championships. Sanctioning bodies have an ulterior motive: money. You don't pay their fees they strip you. It's a business. It's all about making money. How can we consider a fighter a champion when the belt he's wearing was stripped from another fighter for not paying his sanctioning fees?

Lineal Championships carry more weight than any other alphabet title out there. Many like to point out the fact that mayweather's WW championship is tainted because he won it from Baldomir. Why should it be? Baldomir beat the man who beat the man, his title reign is more legitmate than any of these alphabet titlist reigns. Forrest beat shane, mayorga beat forrest, spinks beat mayorga, judah beat spinks, bladomir beat judah. That's a legitmate title reign. The fact that he has not defended it against a legitimate ww is a different arguement. Let's not make this another mayweather thread. I don't hear anyone critizing Joe Louis' reign as heavyweight champ because he beat James Braddock "Cinderalla Man". James Braddock was a BUM before he beat Max Baer. Be that as it may, he deserves credit for beating the MAN and he's was the lineal champ period. Titlist get credit from me for being just that... titlist. Some get credit for being great fighters but they get no credit in my book for being world champions because they aren't.

baldomir was stripped of his title...........when a man is stripped of his title for not being able to pay his sanctioning fees, and his promotor doesn't even step in.......show us what????........i brought up the lineal title..and agree with some of what you're saying.........but if you won the title....and then are stripped before you fight your next fight.....as Daruisz michelzewski was when he won his lightheavy titles ro not defending in a certain amount of time.............you have to remember who the lineal champ is..........cotto didnt beat floyd...........nor did he beat baldy.........he fought an untested quintana who had not beaten anyone but another up and coming juniopr middle/welter in joel julio..........that is all i'm saying..........we can't do anything about it now..........but it had to be said..........floyd is the lineal champ......you just don't strip a man of his title......baldy did nothing wrong but be poor enough not to py 3 sanctioning bodies $15000.00..........lol.........

[Boofdatruth]

My opinion is this...

Sometimes being the lineal champion makes you the man...

and sometimes being just a "alphabet title holder" makes you the man...

and sometimes having NO titles in the division makes you the man.


For example...

(not to turn it into a mayweather thread but to me it's a good example)...

should miguel cotto keep beating the top welterweights (he already has wins over judah, mosley, quintana...at 140...etc.) like margarito and even williams then he's beaten i think ALL the top welterweights in the division even though mayweather wont fight him...

so even though MAYWEATHER is the LINEAL champion cotto (in my book should he beat all the top weltweights) would be the real champion in my opinion and probably the opinion of many other's...

So in a situation like that you dont have to be the lineal champion to be the top dog in the division.

Now if cotto beat all the top welterweights but THEN lost to floyd then i wouldnt be able to say he's the man at 147...floyd would be...with cotto a REAL close second and everyone else would be a VERY distant 3rd.

so it matters on the situation and the circumstances to be honest.

you are missing the point...........baldomir shouldn't have been stripped.........and if that is the case.........he isn't champion...........shane beat a couple of welters...........i don't know if judah, or a 36 year old shane are top welters...........heck quintana just got props from cotto fans because he beat williams.....both quintana and williams are good welters......both have good wins over a name opponent........before quintana beat williams, he was trashed by all fight fans as being scared and called a quitter..........now cotto fans think that quintana beating williams makes them look better.............fighting margs is a step in the right direction of a wrong being righted.......it brings us closer to who the real legitimate challenger to the true lineal champion in floyd..........fighters being stripped of a title is coward by any sanctioning body.........cotto fans can't justify how he won his title or got a shot......he fought for a bogus title..........and cotto isn't a bogus fighter......so don't make it out to look like i'm exlaxing on cotto.........i'm not........floyd is a legitimate champion waiting for a top challenger to break away from the rest of the welters.............

[Boofdatruth]

[QUOTE=boof*******;3545392]you are missing the point...........baldomir shouldn't have been stripped.........and if that is the case he isn't champion...........shane beat a couple of welters..........i don't know if judah, or a 36 year old shane are top welters...........


dan says: i meant to say.......cotto isn't champion..........and that cotto beat a couple of welters