my all time p4p list revised.

**Jim Jeffries** · 05-14-2008, 03:33 PM

Originally posted by ANTON THE GREAT

first and foremost i like to say that i love ray robinson.he's my favorite fighter of all time.but i watched this vid of hammering hank yesterday,

and its changed my mind regarding my all time p4p list.

1.henry armstrong.
held three titles at one time and almost a fourth had he not gotten robbed.
that would have been half the title back then.half.
149 w[101 ko]21L[ko2]d[10]

2.ray robinson.ray won his first title at 26 after countless duckings.he won and loss the middleweight title 5 times.
179w[108 ko]19L[ko1]d[6]

3.roberto duran.considered the greatest lightweight of all time, who went up to beat the great ray leonard at welter.beat iran barkley for a middleweight title title,and fought a competitive fight vs one of the top three middleweights of all time in hagler.[also got ktfo by hearns styles make fights]
103w[70ko]16L[4ko]

4.harry greb.world middleweight champion of the world,and the american light heavyweight title.also legend has it,he whooped prime dempsey's ass in sparring. won 260 fights.
260w[48ko]21L[ko2]d[17]

5.ray leonard.3 division champ.beat the best of his era. benitez,hearns[top 5 welterweight ever],duran[possibly the greatest lightweight ever] and hagler[possible the greatest middleweight ever]in a controversial decision.didn't fight much though.
record 36w[25 ko]3[1ko]

6.sam langford."the greatest fighter nobody knows"fought from welterweight to heavyweight.never won a title, still nonetheless a great fighter, with a record of 201 wins[130 ko] lost 47[9 by ko]

7..tommy hearns.won 6 titles from welterweight to cruiserweight.
61w[48ko]5L[4ko]d[1]

8.pernell whitaker.first undisputed lightweight champion since roberto duran.won titles from lightweight to light middleweight.
40w[17ko]4L[1ko]d[1]

9.alexis arguello.el flaco explosivo was like a 3 div champ that was poetry in motion.
80w[65ko]8L[4ko]

10.wilfredo benitez.youngest champion in history at 17.held titles at light welterweight to light middleweight.
53w[31ko]8L[4ko]d[1]

legends on the outside.
11.roy jones
12.julio cesar chavez

current fighters who could get in a couple of fights.
floyd mayweather
manny pacquiao

of course this is my list feel free to put yours up.

No Willie Pep? Ali? Joe Louis?

**AntonTheMeh** · 05-14-2008, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by Jim Jeffries

No Willie Pep? Ali? Joe Louis?

did you watch the vid?I'm talking fighters who proved it going up in weight,i think of willie as a featherweight and thats it.joe was a heavy and so was ali.the idea for me has to do with fighters who moved up in weight.its a new way of thinking for me i guess.

**Dirt E Gomez** · 05-14-2008, 03:45 PM

Armstrong is generally #2 on my list behind SRR...

Always good to see the Human Windmill get some love.

**TheGreatA** · 05-14-2008, 03:46 PM

Ray Robinson defeated the reigning LW champion (who was the only man to defeat a prime Willie Pep) in a non-title bout, he was obviously great at WW and MW and was leading on all scorecards against the LHW champion for 13 rounds but lost due to extreme exhaustion.

It's always between him and the Hammerin' Hank for me.

**AntonTheMeh** · 05-14-2008, 03:56 PM

yeah, i mean i think about the fact henry held almost half the belts,thats insane.

**KnockoutTheFat** · 05-14-2008, 04:23 PM

Originally posted by ANTON THE GREAT

yeah, i mean i think about the fact henry held almost half the belts,thats insane.

First of all, where the **** is TYE FIELDS?! Ur P4P list is a disgrace if he's not on the top, let alone on it?

Second of all, if you left Tye Fields off on purpose because he's above the P4P list, its actually pretty good.

**AntonTheMeh** · 05-14-2008, 04:35 PM

Originally posted by KnockoutTheFat

First of all, where the **** is TYE FIELDS?! Ur P4P list is a disgrace if he's not on the top, let alone on it?

Second of all, if you left Tye Fields off on purpose because he's above the P4P list, its actually pretty good.

tye fields is bigger than boxing.he's number one in my deities list though.

**slicksouthpaw16** · 05-14-2008, 04:58 PM

My top 3 fighters of all time are:

1.Ray Robinson
2.Henry Armstrong
3.Muhammed Ali

1. Robinson defeated so many great fighters like Kid Galivan(Twice and who is the greatest welterweight besides Robinson( Lamotta, Fulmer, Basilo Turpin ect) and most of these guys is all bigger than he is as well. Moving up in weight at the time that the division is at its best is extremely impressive. He beat multiple world champions and greats that were in their primes in what was known as one of if not the best era of middleweights. You can also make a case that he was past his prime at middleweight. Robinson was in his peak at welterweight.

2. Armstrong once captured 3 titles in 3 different weight divisions and he did it within 3 weeks. He was very small for a welterweight at 5'5 and was a natural featherweight. He defended his title more than anyone else at 18 times in his busy two year reign. He beat worthy bigger men such as Barney Ross, Garcia, Ernie Roderick and Zivic.

3. Ali has beaten every great heavyweight that he fought while he was in his respective prime. His resume is probably the best of all time. Names like Foreman, Frazier, Liston, Bonevena, Tirrell, Ellis, Norton ect puts him as the greatest heavyweight champion of all time in my book.

**AntonTheMeh** · 05-14-2008, 06:44 PM

the idea of almost holding half the belts is what made me put henry at 1.

my all time p4p list revised.