There Is A Reason Why Floyd Will Retire Undefeated

[RodBarker]

C'mon though. Does anyone really actually think that just because he trains above sea level that that is the reason he is so good!? That is the most ignorant thing ever said. They're all pro athletes. Most fighters have at some point in their careers done all their training in the mountains.

If you think Floyd's stamina comes from training above sea level as well, then that also makes you ignorant and deluded. Most of Floyd's supposed amazing stamina comes from simply not doing much. He is very, very fit but he is not exactly a high output fighter. He stands and lies against the ropes a lot, throws a small amount of punches; being a counter puncher, and fights defensively.

That is not exactly the game of someone who wins fights on stamina and freak fitness alone so I don't see what the big deal is? If he fought like Jeff Fenech or something then sure, I could dig it, but he is a slow paced, defensive counter puncher. What is so amazing?

It's like saying "James Toney is the fittest mo fo around mayne! That dog went twelve hard rounds with Sam Peter, the hardest puncher in the heavies, and he didn't even get tired! Dats da **** yall!"

If he was such a freak stamina nut case then he should be throwing ten times the punches, with ten punch counter combinations coming out of his ass constantly and simply wearing fighters out. But, no, he fights like Hopkins does at 43 for gods sake! Not saying he's not brilliant. No, no, no, not at all, but some folks just go a little overboard with the worship, when he doesn't actually train any different than most other pro boxers, he just trains harder and smarter than most.

Thats true Benny , Floyd is the most efficient fighter going around today , he dont waste anything , and when he is in the pocket he just rolls around his opponents like fluid which saps thier strength while conserving his , Floyd fights at a pace so smooth where he could fight 20 rnds , fighters like Fenech were machines that relied on fitness as thier skills were lacking , I saw Jeff train a few times and man was he something in the gym , unbelievable work ethic .

[BennyST]

Not true , recently Hatton and Oscar were legit threats , you only got to see how many people picked them to not only beat Floyd but smash him ,, Floyd has had a lot of fights against very legit opposition his whole career , I really cant believe the amount of negative **** said about Floyd in here , doesnt matter who he fights people will rag him , if only all peoples favorite fighters were held to the same standards .

While I sort of agree, I also sort of don't. Oscar was a slight threat simply because Floyd was moving up so far in weight to fight him, but, apart from that, he wasn't much of a threat. The guy had hardly fought in years and had lost about 2 or 3 of his last four fights!

Hatton? C'mon, Hatton was never a threat at all. We all know that Floyd beats your typical pressure fighter easily, and especially one as wild and 'counter punchable' as Hatton. He was never really in with a chance and the only reason people picked him was because they just wanted to see Floyd get mauled, but, in reality it was never ever going to happen. Hatton was very well beaten by a half decent, but in prime, boxer in Collazo and looked like crap against Urango and apart from that has never even beaten anyone good. Tszyu, while a legendary fighter, was just too old and worn. Maussa?

Floyds choice of opposition was great early in his career but I don't think anyone can really argue very hard that the last 5 or 6 years have been what anyone would call 'stellar'. His fights with Corrales and Castillo is just what he needed to do. The thing is, if he hadn't fought them I wouldn't even consider him very great. He would have been a great champion for the times, but nothing very special in larger terms. It's only because of his earlier fights that I still hold him in such high regard. Nonetheless, he has made his legacy on the easy 'bread and butter' opponent of a counter puncher which is basically a wild, flawed brawling pressure fighter style.

Sadly, he will never get the chance to fight another great boxer. If you go over his career, he has not fought a single amazing boxer/counter puncher etc. Judah has been it and we all know that Judah is about as sad a boxer as there has ever been. So, while a lot of his criticism is unwarranted, a lot of actually is also. He really does seem to be at the opposite ends of each spectrum. People either say he is an overrated chump or the greatest ever. There are very few who see him for what he is.

[BennyST]

Thats true Benny , Floyd is the most efficient fighter going around today , he dont waste anything , and when he is in the pocket he just rolls around his opponents like fluid which saps thier strength while conserving his , Floyd fights at a pace so smooth where he could fight 20 rnds , fighters like Fenech were machines that relied on fitness as thier skills were lacking , I saw Jeff train a few times and man was he something in the gym , unbelievable work ethic .

Yes, exactly. He is like efficiency personified! It's hardly like he is some stamina warrior who just burns down his opponents with his energy is it? The reason he can fight like he does into the end rounds is just because of the way he fights. Smart! You're spot on correct. The opponent spends so much time seeing his opponent in front of him and trying to take him out little realising how much energy he is wasting because every punch is missing, all the while getting more energy ****** out by the short sharp counters that Floyd's so brilliant at inside!!! Very nice to watch.

[RodBarker]

While I sort of agree, I also sort of don't. Oscar was a slight threat simply because Floyd was moving up so far in weight to fight him, but, apart from that, he wasn't much of a threat. The guy had hardly fought in years and had lost about 2 or 3 of his last four fights!

Hatton? C'mon, Hatton was never a threat at all. We all know that Floyd beats your typical pressure fighter easily, and especially one as wild and 'counter punchable' as Hatton. He was never really in with a chance and the only reason people picked him was because they just wanted to see Floyd get mauled, but, in reality it was never ever going to happen. Hatton was very well beaten by a half decent, but in prime, boxer in Collazo and looked like crap against Urango and apart from that has never even beaten anyone good. Tszyu, while a legendary fighter, was just too old and worn. Maussa?

Floyds choice of opposition was great early in his career but I don't think anyone can really argue very hard that the last 5 or 6 years have been what anyone would call 'stellar'. His fights with Corrales and Castillo is just what he needed to do. The thing is, if he hadn't fought them I wouldn't even consider him very great. He would have been a great champion for the times, but nothing very special in larger terms. It's only because of his earlier fights that I still hold him in such high regard. Nonetheless, he has made his legacy on the easy 'bread and butter' opponent of a counter puncher which is basically a wild, flawed brawling pressure fighter style.

Sadly, he will never get the chance to fight another great boxer. If you go over his career, he has not fought a single amazing boxer/counter puncher etc. Judah has been it and we all know that Judah is about as sad a boxer as there has ever been. So, while a lot of his criticism is unwarranted, a lot of actually is also. He really does seem to be at the opposite ends of each spectrum. People either say he is an overrated chump or the greatest ever. There are very few who see him for what he is.

I can see where you are coming from but fight only the best deal can be leveled at any fighter if you get picky , I see Cotto as the guy out there that is really pushing the envelope as far as opposition goes now that he is taking on Margo which will prolly lead to a Floyd fight or ODH or both , when you look at the whole sport they can all take on better guys , Floyd is in a position where he is unbeaten , looks like he can beat anyone and is picking fights that balance marketing with legitimacy , I personally think he is great fighter but untill he finally hangs them up you cant really judge him as far as legacy goes , untill then we dont know who he is gunna fight or not fight , so far you can only judge him against your own personal intuition and your eye for boxing , that fat lady hasnt sung yet for Mayweather .

[QUISQUEYA]

yeah floyd is the only one that trains above sea level. he is the innovator of training above sea level. he even invented the sledge hammer to the tire routine.

Speaking of which, what exactly is the benefit of the sledgehammer to the tire routine? is that just the modern version of chopping wood?

Is it an overall anaerobic upper-body exercise? Wouldn't cable-work be more effective since you don't get the benefit of gravity?

[moin126]

The weird part about Floyd training so hard is that he really doesn't need to with the way he fights in the ring.

His workrate is pretty low in comparison to most other elite fighters. It's not a problem, because he is so accurate, but...

It just seems like all that training really isn't being used fully.

By the way, I do find it funny that people scream about hate when 2501 makes a joke about Floyd inventing training above sea level. A joke is a joke, get over it.

thats not right..
He trains so hard, to be able to throw accurately till round 12, and to be able to think clearly, his style needs alot of conditioning, its not just punch output...thats easy. Its the footwork, angles , sharp shifts of distance, keeping his defense effective till round 12.

Also to be able to speed up in round 6-12 instead of fade, that needs massive conditioning.
His output is more efficient and quite smart, i dont think his style would be effective withouth all his hard work.

And seriously, you can never go to far with training.

[.Mik.]

Floyd (who I cant stand) will retire undefeated because

-He trains like a madman.
-He is a student of the sport.
-He has INSANE ability.
-He fights very smart (safe.)
-But most importantly, Floyd cares more about never being beat then about WHO he beats. It's always been that way, it wont change now. Money and safe fights above all.

Correct. Lots of elements make Mayweather into the fighter that he is, some good and some bad. Putting it down purely to his training techniques is ridiculous. One could just say the same thing of Calzaghe's training technique.

[RichCCFC]

Joe Calzaghe lives on mountains near enough.

[.Mik.]

And has trained that way his whole life.

[2501]

Speaking of which, what exactly is the benefit of the sledgehammer to the tire routine? is that just the modern version of chopping wood?

Is it an overall anaerobic upper-body exercise? Wouldn't cable-work be more effective since you don't get the benefit of gravity?

the main objective when using this method is to increase your power from the core. another trick is the choppin wood with an axe.

but back to the thread, threadstarter has downsyndrome for thinkin Floyd is above all JUST because of the way he trains. the dude in my signature and his brother train in the mountains of mexico. i dont know very many fighters who could have fought at the pace they did in the rounds against Pacquiao and Vazquez.

Floyd will remain undefeated because he isnt lookin for the hardest competition, but the most financially beneficial. and he is a freakin boxing savant.