Floyd Mayweather Is Not As Good As He And His Fervent Admirers Think...

[KING •]

Intelligent objective threads like this aren't made for ball lickers like Burner, Horus and yourself...

The article is completely objective...

But Floyds infantry has to come in and try to bash Cotto and defend him against any negativity...

You can't STAND people believing that Floyd isn't the greatest, or hasn't ducked anyone or has more money than Bill Gates...

You are getting owned left and right in here dude - mostly with your own words...

Take Burners cue and leave this thread...

[Vladimir303]

Intelligent objective threads like this aren't made for ball lickers like Burner, Horus and yourself...

The article is completely objective...

But Floyds infantry has to come in and try to bash Cotto and defend him against any negativity...

You're so right.

You got me

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=167012

Closet Floydboy confesses: Floyd is duckin' Cotto

I have been cured of my disease

I know it's long and I don't expect any response but those of you that helped start my "recovery" will appreciate it and those of you remaining nuthuggger's who still think he isn't "ducking" and scared of Cotto will clearly have no choice but to change your opinion.

So this is for all the people I used to think were Floyd haters and everyone that deserves credit for my overdue admission, here you go.

1-I'm really Floyd's #1 fan. Despite the fact that I have claimed that I'm not part of the Lifestyle flashy/Floydboyz/nuthugger crowd.....I have now come to terms with my problem. After having been told numerous/countless times that I am just a 12 year old floydboy, I have now come to terms that I do have the mentality of a 12 year old. It all makes sense now, with my childlike mentality I couldn't have possibly been right on anything, with my views and positions toward Money May.

2-I have finally realized the truth about Cotto being ducked and felt I should come clean in this way. It was the overwhelming evidence of one argument that brought about my moment of clarity! Here it is with full disclosure:

Miguel Cotto has taken the much tougher fights at WW by far and as a result of his "stunning" ko's and wins, deserves to be considered the "real" WW champion! Mayweather has simply been fighting a parade of blown up fighters.

Just look:

Cotto TKO 5 Quintana:

Look at all those fools who thought this guy was a set-up for his first WW fight so Cotto could grab a quick WW belt! Carlos just beat the most feared of all the true WW's in Williams and reading too much of his own press is no excuse! His amateur background should have prepared him. Look who's laughing now!

Cotto TKO11 Oktay Urkal:

Now this guy had been ripping up the WW division and fiercely! So clearly he wasn't a "blown-up" JWW by the standard mentioned earlier! Just look at his record on boxrec and you can clearly see that he was a True/Real WW his entire career. In the last two fights before Cotto he clearly earned and secured his mandatory shot. He only took 3 rounds to TKO the 1-9 Robert Cristea after pounding out a 77-75 decision against the 2-4-1 Andrei Rimer!

Cotto TKO11 Zab Judah:

This one's a little confusing but if you follow carefully you will realize it makes perfect sense! When Judah fought Cotto (Judah at his best) he wasn't a blown up JWW, he was the former champion. Forget what Tsyzu did at 140, Cotto's was more "stunning". After all, the fact that Judah hadn't really fought in 17 months since losing to Baldomir and Floyd proves that he had grown into the weight better. When he fought Mayweather(clearly not at his best),he was still adjusting to the move from JWW and had just lost to Baldo. Confusing I know but if you look at it from a pro-Cotto position it makes perfect sense!

Cotto UD12 Mosley

Most convincing case of all! Be patient here too. This is by far more impressive than anything PBF has EVER done!

First, you can't compare Mosley at 147 to Oscar at 154. Oscar is a blown up SFW who has been parading as a JMW for 6 years while Shane isn't. Mosley was originally a LW, big difference, and was only JMW for 4yrs.,even bigger diff!

Second, SM's win over Collazo in his first WW fight in four years immediately establishes him as the only legit challenger at 147. After all, it was the same Collazo that fought for the WBA title that Cotto now holds, against Hatton who vacated it!

Third, it doesn't even matter that Mosley's 2 most notable wins are against the very same Oscar in close fights. Cotto beating Shane is just far better and the fact he was JMW 2 less years, proves he was more of a real WW than Oscar.

Finally, Mayweather beats blown up JFW Oscar-bad. Mosley beats 6 div champ version of Oscar-good. That makes Cotto's win more impressive cause Shane beat Oscar while Floyd, a true career WW, was tryin to disguise himself as a SFW,LW,SLW to avoid comp and collect titles, etc.

As for Floyd's resume?

11 years of bein a 5 div, 6 title beeyatch! Just look at the sissies on this list: T.Pep, G.Hernandez, V.Sosa, Manfreddy, Rios, Jukko, Gerena, G.Vargas, J.Chavez, C.Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah (not at his best until he fought Cotto), ODLH,N'dou, Corley, Hatton, Baldo.

Talk about under achievement! Those opponents have a weak ass total of more than 30 major belts between them! He clearly was ducking the best in all div from the start!

And let's not forget about the heroes that saved us from more of Floyd like Tsyzu, Hatton and Cotto himself at 140. Thank God they saw through his pathetic attempts at validation and decided not to take his offers!

After 11+yrs, 6 phony titles in 5 no-talent div and consensus p4p best, now he has the nerve to secure his families future for generations and tell Cotto he has to wait? What a total fraud!

Cotto deserves a break with Gomez! He's earned it! Mayweather on the other hand shouldn't be excused for anything! Where's the nobility in what he does? Who cares if Cotto lists Oscar first on his list of "all the big names"? That is totally different! So what if he told Margarito to get in line after he beat Mosley?

It's all so clear now! Never mind that linear champ nonsense! Thank you guys for helping me see the light and come to terms with my problem! I can now state emphatically that the first and only real, true WW champion since Felix Trinidad is Miguel Angel Cotto!

[C'MONMANG']

So what? Doesn't change the fact that Arum never planned on having Cotto fight him during the 140lb days.

I repeat, Arum controlled both of them during that time. He made no offers to Floyd to fight Cotto and Cotto is known to leave his decisions up to Arum.

um Floyd had THREE fights at 140. two title eliminators to fight GAtti and a fight with GAtti. Then he fought Shot bay at 147 errrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[Bad_Barracuda]

Mayweather also ducked Shane Mosley at 135 and Eric Morales at 130.

A Calzhage fan shouldn't even use the word duck..

His entire career is a huge DUCK..

Just ONE(of many)example of this COWARD'S mentality


Joe was supposed to fight the WINNER of Echols/Brewer

Instead of fighting the WINNER.......Echols...

His Scaryness...

Fought the LOSER.......Brewer..

Now who else could get away with a ***** MOVE like that?????

Joe has seen PLENTY great fighters come and go without lifting a pinky to fight them..

So STFU about Floyd's resume and climb back on Joe's **** encrusted ****..

[KING •]

Do you some how think quoting that piece of **** thread means you are any less owned?

Horus showed up in the form of Bad_Barracuda!

WOOT!

[muppetman]

You're so right.

You got me

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=167012

Closet Floydboy confesses: Floyd is duckin' Cotto

I have been cured of my disease

I know it's long and I don't expect any response but those of you that helped start my "recovery" will appreciate it and those of you remaining nuthuggger's who still think he isn't "ducking" and scared of Cotto will clearly have no choice but to change your opinion.

So this is for all the people I used to think were Floyd haters and everyone that deserves credit for my overdue admission, here you go.

1-I'm really Floyd's #1 fan. Despite the fact that I have claimed that I'm not part of the Lifestyle flashy/Floydboyz/nuthugger crowd.....I have now come to terms with my problem. After having been told numerous/countless times that I am just a 12 year old floydboy, I have now come to terms that I do have the mentality of a 12 year old. It all makes sense now, with my childlike mentality I couldn't have possibly been right on anything, with my views and positions toward Money May.

2-I have finally realized the truth about Cotto being ducked and felt I should come clean in this way. It was the overwhelming evidence of one argument that brought about my moment of clarity! Here it is with full disclosure:

Miguel Cotto has taken the much tougher fights at WW by far and as a result of his "stunning" ko's and wins, deserves to be considered the "real" WW champion! Mayweather has simply been fighting a parade of blown up fighters.

Just look:

Cotto TKO 5 Quintana:

Look at all those fools who thought this guy was a set-up for his first WW fight so Cotto could grab a quick WW belt! Carlos just beat the most feared of all the true WW's in Williams and reading too much of his own press is no excuse! His amateur background should have prepared him. Look who's laughing now!

Cotto TKO11 Oktay Urkal:

Now this guy had been ripping up the WW division and fiercely! So clearly he wasn't a "blown-up" JWW by the standard mentioned earlier! Just look at his record on boxrec and you can clearly see that he was a True/Real WW his entire career. In the last two fights before Cotto he clearly earned and secured his mandatory shot. He only took 3 rounds to TKO the 1-9 Robert Cristea after pounding out a 77-75 decision against the 2-4-1 Andrei Rimer!

Cotto TKO11 Zab Judah:

This one's a little confusing but if you follow carefully you will realize it makes perfect sense! When Judah fought Cotto (Judah at his best) he wasn't a blown up JWW, he was the former champion. Forget what Tsyzu did at 140, Cotto's was more "stunning". After all, the fact that Judah hadn't really fought in 17 months since losing to Baldomir and Floyd proves that he had grown into the weight better. When he fought Mayweather(clearly not at his best),he was still adjusting to the move from JWW and had just lost to Baldo. Confusing I know but if you look at it from a pro-Cotto position it makes perfect sense!

Cotto UD12 Mosley

Most convincing case of all! Be patient here too. This is by far more impressive than anything PBF has EVER done!

First, you can't compare Mosley at 147 to Oscar at 154. Oscar is a blown up SFW who has been parading as a JMW for 6 years while Shane isn't. Mosley was originally a LW, big difference, and was only JMW for 4yrs.,even bigger diff!

Second, SM's win over Collazo in his first WW fight in four years immediately establishes him as the only legit challenger at 147. After all, it was the same Collazo that fought for the WBA title that Cotto now holds, against Hatton who vacated it!

Third, it doesn't even matter that Mosley's 2 most notable wins are against the very same Oscar in close fights. Cotto beating Shane is just far better and the fact he was JMW 2 less years, proves he was more of a real WW than Oscar.

Finally, Mayweather beats blown up JFW Oscar-bad. Mosley beats 6 div champ version of Oscar-good. That makes Cotto's win more impressive cause Shane beat Oscar while Floyd, a true career WW, was tryin to disguise himself as a SFW,LW,SLW to avoid comp and collect titles, etc.

As for Floyd's resume?

11 years of bein a 5 div, 6 title beeyatch! Just look at the sissies on this list: T.Pep, G.Hernandez, V.Sosa, Manfreddy, Rios, Jukko, Gerena, G.Vargas, J.Chavez, C.Hernandez, Corrales, Castillo, Gatti, Mitchell, Judah (not at his best until he fought Cotto), ODLH,N'dou, Corley, Hatton, Baldo.

Talk about under achievement! Those opponents have a weak ass total of more than 30 major belts between them! He clearly was ducking the best in all div from the start!

And let's not forget about the heroes that saved us from more of Floyd like Tsyzu, Hatton and Cotto himself at 140. Thank God they saw through his pathetic attempts at validation and decided not to take his offers!

After 11+yrs, 6 phony titles in 5 no-talent div and consensus p4p best, now he has the nerve to secure his families future for generations and tell Cotto he has to wait? What a total fraud!

Cotto deserves a break with Gomez! He's earned it! Mayweather on the other hand shouldn't be excused for anything! Where's the nobility in what he does? Who cares if Cotto lists Oscar first on his list of "all the big names"? That is totally different! So what if he told Margarito to get in line after he beat Mosley?

It's all so clear now! Never mind that linear champ nonsense! Thank you guys for helping me see the light and come to terms with my problem! I can now state emphatically that the first and only real, true WW champion since Felix Trinidad is Miguel Angel Cotto!

[Vladimir303]

Do you some how think quoting that piece of **** thread means you are any less owned?

Horus showed up in the form of Bad_Barracuda!

WOOT!

You keep repeating the word owned long enough you just might start believing it. Don't let me stop your happiness.

[KING •]

Miguel Cotto > Floyd Mayweather

And you can't deal with it...

It's okay...

[deevel79]

He's better than Strawberry Margarita..that's for damn sure..that ***** can't even make it past Daniel Santos.

Zoo claimed he wanted to fight the best but chose Hatton..

Hatton claimed he wasn't ready..

Harris wasn't worth anybody's time..as Maussa later proved

Cotto just played dumb..like he's still doing..

Did Cotto fight Zoo??

Did Cotto fight Harris??

Did Cotto fight Hatton??

Gatti?...Why slam Floyd for fighting him..At least he had a TITLE..

Oscar made Gatti move-up to 147..Ya'll don't **** with HIM about that.!

Brusseles was an ELIMINATOR for Gatti's TITLE..

Chop Chop...Didn't Cotto fight him too?????..Why not **** with HIM over that??????

There's not a single fighter at 147 that wouldn't fight Oscar at the drop of a hat..

So ya'll need to STFU

Marge could have fought Floyd when Judah lost to Baldomir..but Arum claimed he couldn't get out of the Manuel Gomez bout...LOL

Maybe I missed it..but..Cotto hasn't fought Williams or Clottey either..


Oscar,Hatton > The Ghost of Golden Johnson,Paul Williams

Oscar,Hatton > Shades of Shane,Alphonso Gomez

Why should Cotto fight Williams or Clottey. Using your logic, Williams couldnt even get past Quintana! LOL. Cotto already dismantled the guy who beat Williams, and is scheduled to fight the guy who beat Clottey. Therefore those fights arent warranted. Or do those rules only apply to Floyd?

[Bad_Barracuda]

Mayweather Jr. Challenges Tszyu, De La Hoya and Cotto
By David Mayo

MIAMI - Floyd Mayweather Jr. spouted off little about fighting Henry Bruseles tonight, but loudly challenged everyone from Oscar De La Hoya to Kostya Tszyu. Through it all, always present, always watching from somewhere in the room, was Miguel Cotto.

Cotto’s turn is coming. And if Arturo Gatti continues to balk at negotiating for a June fight with Mayweather, Cotto’s time could come sooner than expected.

Next month in an 11,000-seat Puerto Rican arena, Cotto returns to action. Among the other things Mayweather said and Cotto heard within the last couple of days is that he’s interested in moving to Puerto Rico. If the two-time former champion gets a move-on, and relocates in time for Cotto’s next fight, he could become a what-might-have-been witness to his own career, circa 1998-99.

Mayweather was supposed to be Cotto.

Instead, he has become Cotto’s validation ticket.

Mayweather will see this a little bit differently, of course. And with good reason.

Thirty-two professional fights without a defeat, and only one of those even close, doesn’t quite do full justice to the depth of his boxing acumen. I have known him since he was 10 years old, covered his three National Golden Gloves titles, attended his Olympic fights, and covered his professional career. He has been too sound, for too long, to discount against Cotto.

But there are so many obstacles in front of him that he can’t possibly determine a career direction until first coming to a complete halt. That basically is what has happened during his career-long 245-day layoff which ends tonight. And it is will happen again after this fight, until resolution of his misdemeanor assault trial next month in Grand Rapids, Michigan.

The trial in Mayweather’s hometown was scheduled for Dec. 16, but he didn’t show up in court until 11 days later. He pleaded guilty to contempt, had his bond doubled, and had his trial rescheduled.

That isn’t as bad as it could have been. But now Gatti’s promoter Main Events is looking at Mayweather’s possible 93-day jail sentence in February, then looking at his August felony domestic battery trial in Las Vegas, and questioning how a June fight will work.

Promoting a major pay-per-view event requires time - not doing time.

Mayweather can squawk about Gatti’s reluctance, if that’s what it turns out to be, all he wants. But if Gatti petitions the World Boxing Council and is granted a delay on his mandatory defense pending resolution of Mayweather’s legal situation, a direct precedent exists in Mayweather’s career.

During Mayweather’s entire reign of three-plus years as WBC 130-pound champion, his mandatory contender was Jesus Chavez. But Chavez was under a deportation order and could not enter the U.S. Rather than forcing Mayweather to leave the country to fight.

Chavez, the WBC granted him an ongoing waiver until Chavez’s situation cleared up. Finally, in 2001, in his ninth and final 130-pound championship bout, Mayweather fought and defeated Chavez - the only time he ever faced his top-ranked challenger.

So Bob Arum stood before the assembled media this week, promotionally provocative as ever, and proclaimed this 140-pound era much like the 1980s Duran-Hagler-Hearns-Leonard dynamic. Except those guys all fought each other.

Today’s sensational 140-pound crop includes universally recognized champion Kostya Tszyu (31-1), his next challenger Ricky Hatton (38-0), Mayweather (32-0), and Cotto (22-0).

Gatti (38-6), resurgent recently, has a big following, and adds steam to boxing’s best division.

It all sounds great until the socio-political stuff factors in. Tszyu fights for Showtime.
Mayweather, Cotto and Gatti all fight for HBO. It’s a highly unusual situation that the smaller of the two subscription-cable boxing giants holds sway over a division populated by so many of the larger network’s fighters, but that is the position.

"I would love to fight Kostya Tszyu,” Mayweather said. “If the money's right, I'll go to Russia to fight him. I just want to show I'm the best. But with HBO and Showtime, I know it's going to be hard to make the fight."
Mayweather’s first order of business is a June pay-per-view fight with Gatti, which is a long, long way from a done deal.

He would like Tszyu after that, unless Oscar De La Hoya wants to rumble. Mayweather still craves that fight, though De La Hoya consistently has remained three weight divisions heavier. But if De La Hoya drops back to welterweight as advertised, they will be separated by just one division and seven pounds.

"It's part of history. My uncle's a two-time world champion, we've got a lot of controversy with my dad and my uncle, two fighters from the same family, one training the Golden Boy (Floyd Mayweather Sr.) and one training the Pretty Boy (Roger Mayweather). It's a fight I think should be made,” Floyd Jr. said. "I know at the end of the year, it's going to be me and Oscar. We've got to get it on. He can't keep ducking and dodging."

De La Hoya has said on several occasions that he never will fight his trainer’s son. If Mayweather is trying to convince De La Hoya otherwise, you might think he would try a little sweet talking. But that is against Mayweather’s nature, and De La Hoya surely understands why, considering how much time as he has spent with Floyd Mayweather Sr.

With De La Hoya still relatively fresh off his fourth loss, on a body-shot knockout by Bernard Hopkins, Mayweather couldn’t resist a verbal shot to the ribs.

“Hopefully, we can fight at the end of the year, and when me and Oscar fight, he don't quit like he did with Bernard Hopkins,” Mayweather said. “Me being a true champion, I think I'm going to retire undefeated. But if I do go out, I'm going out on my back. That's how a true champion's got to go out."

So Mayweather wants Tszyu, but television contracts keep them apart.

He wants Gatti, but the legal situation has made negotiations balky.

He wants De La Hoya, but Oscar has taken a firm stance against fighting him.

Cotto can fight Gatti, but why would Top Rank make a fight in which its man gets a substantially smaller percentage of the pie, when it could make Mayweather-Cotto instead?

Gatti-Mayweather is the immediate plan. But Top Rank is taking a close look at this, and seeing this backup solution: Mayweather-Cotto in a pay-per-view clash this summer, instead of Gatti-Mayweather. Then, if Cotto wins, make a pay-per-view mega fight against De La Hoya in late 2005.

“Cotto needs a couple more tune-ups. Right now he’s a little too green,” Mayweather said.
Those words come from a man with few other options if: A) His legal situation puts him on ice; or, B) Main Events uses the legal situation to protect Gatti’s burgeoning franchise from the risk of a Mayweather fight.

First up for Mayweather is Bruseles, a 21-2-1 (13) native of Caguas, Puerto Rico, same hometown as Cotto. Both are trained by Cotto’s uncle, Evangelista Cotto, and they sparred 40 rounds in training camp. Cotto says Bruseles has a chance, but of course he’s going to say that. They have known each other since they were boys.


Roger Mayweather said he considers Tszyu the true champion, but thinks Cotto actually would be his nephew’s most difficult fight at 140 pounds.

As he watched the buzz circulate, Cotto was asked this week if he considers himself Mayweather’s new chief nemesis. A broad grin crossed his face.

"We’re rivals,” Cotto said. “Mayweather is a star of the sport and we’re in the same company. Mayweather was a great champion at 130 and 135. We don’t know about 140. When the company says the time is right to make the fight, I’ll fight him. I think it's a good fight. I know Mayweather's a great fighter. But I know I can beat him."