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  • #61
    Originally posted by rusticraver View Post
    That statement is just proof you don't know **** about DAvid Haye.

    He spars with heavyweights, he's fought at heavyweight before. He has an amateur pedigree at heavyweight and he hits like a mule kicks.

    Make no mistake he's the real deal. It's all about whether he gets caught regularly against slower fighters. Which he shouldnt
    Heavyweight in ams is cruiser in pros. Super heavy is the am equivalent of pro heavyweight.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by bluemax View Post
      People were so convinced Hatton would be dominating moving up 7 pounds to Welterweight and look what happened. Barely beat a Journeyman fighter named Collazo and got knocked out by Mayweather. Mormeck and Enzo where successful fighting as Cruiserweights because there were no GREAT fighters out there so they fought each other. Haye beat the Cruiserweights but all this talk about him dominating guys 20-30 lbs heavier is plain outlandish!! He is a media generated fighter who as a heavyweight would be lucky to be in the top 10 and believe me would have been stopped a lot more times than once. Keep in mind quite a few wins he had as Cruiserweight against so so opposition were in doubt before he won by knock out. The media is giving the impression this guy dominated every round he has fought and that's not the case he has been in trouble on numerous occasions against smaller guys which he managed to pull out by knocking out the opponant. The problem is when he hits a physically larger guy he won't have the same effect and the punches he'll receive will be harder than he's used to receiving. Say what you want about Haye but his chin against smaller guys is questionable, his stamina is certainly questionable at crusierweight and adding weight will only compound the problem because his speed will be affected. I understand the challenge since it would be a big money fight but that doesn't change the fact he doesn't deserve it nor is it likely he'll win it. If it happens I predict he'll be knocked out and do what Hatton did. Take the money and run back to his own weight division. As I've said before there's a reason why he hasn't campaigned as a Heavyweight, the fights would be harder and his own management knew that he'd be more successful fighting smaller guys and why they DON'T want a tune up before fighting VLAD
      Collazo isn't exactly a journeyman fighter. He's only lost Hatton, Mosley and some other guy. He was also the WW champion of the world. That is pretty good in fact. Either way, Hatton was never as good as he was made out to be, but, Collazo ain't such a bad fighter as to call him a journeyman. Far from it in fact.

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      • #63
        Originally posted by duffgun View Post
        Moorer and Holyfield were both down against Burt Cooper who was basically a modern day cruiserweight.
        it was at heavyweight and cooper was a big puncher at heavyweight and weighed in around 225 lbs on average when he was in shape

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        • #64
          Originally posted by beez721 View Post
          it was at heavyweight and cooper was a big puncher at heavyweight and weighed in around 225 lbs on average when he was in shape
          i know it was at heavyweight but i have got Williams vs cooper and they were saying how cooper could move down to cruiserweight in his first 23 fights Cooper weight was below 200lb and bulked up to make heavyweight.

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            • #66
              Thanks for voting everybody, I'm glad to see you most of you folks here on Boxingscene have common sense and know that Wlad will easily KO Haye.
              Last edited by WLAD OWNS; 05-10-2008, 07:40 AM.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by WLAD OWNS View Post
                The Hayemaker is a dead man walking!!
                Its very likley that Wlad will stop him late if at all. Let me explain why beofre you call me a hater (again) and a racist:

                Wlad knows that his chin isnt very good. He knows this so he worked up a defense to protect this weakness. He also isnt an idiot, he knows that Haye hits very hard, and i'm sure that he is intelligent so it works out to

                Very hard punch + Weak chin = Likely KO

                So i think Wlad will be cautious early, he knows Haye hasn' fought many long fights. But, if he is cautious is will mean he will just keep Haye away with that jab of his.

                Late on into the fight (If at all) if he has avoided getting hit much, then i think he will unleash some right hands, and Haye also has a suspect chin (maybe due to draining himself we dont know) so the previous equation applies here.

                Basically, being real Wlad will win by a stoppage around 10 rounds-ish or a UD.

                Now, Haye nuthugging mode.

                Haye KO 1 Wlad

                (I'm kidding about the nuthugging thing thar)

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by T-97 View Post
                  Its very likley that Wlad will stop him late if at all. Let me explain why beofre you call me a hater (again) and a racist:

                  Wlad knows that his chin isnt very good. He knows this so he worked up a defense to protect this weakness. He also isnt an idiot, he knows that Haye hits very hard, and i'm sure that he is intelligent so it works out to

                  Very hard punch + Weak chin = Likely KO

                  So i think Wlad will be cautious early, he knows Haye hasn' fought many long fights. But, if he is cautious is will mean he will just keep Haye away with that jab of his.

                  Late on into the fight (If at all) if he has avoided getting hit much, then i think he will unleash some right hands, and Haye also has a suspect chin (maybe due to draining himself we dont know) so the previous equation applies here.

                  Basically, being real Wlad will win by a stoppage around 10 rounds-ish or a UD.

                  Now, Haye nuthugging mode.

                  Haye KO 1 Wlad

                  (I'm kidding about the nuthugging thing thar)
                  I dont agree with this. I dont think wlad sees him as a big punching heavyweight. knocking out cruisers are a totally different thing. wlad Im sure realizes haye is vulnerable to a right hand and will have no problem letting it fly. plus,,haye isnt a counter punching southpaw that crouches low like sultan.. so,, wlad shouldnt feel off balance when letting it go

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by WLAD OWNS View Post
                    Thanks for voting everybody, I'm glad to see you most of you folks here on Boxingscene have common sense and know that Wlad will easily KO Haye.
                    When you don't give any other options then of course anyone voting will be voting for a knockout. My vote would be for a frustrating and tedious decision as Haye tries to land a home run and Wlad tries to avoid engaging.

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                    • #70
                      Originally posted by squealpiggy View Post
                      When you don't give any other options then of course anyone voting will be voting for a knockout. My vote would be for a frustrating and tedious decision as Haye tries to land a home run and Wlad tries to avoid engaging.
                      A decison?...Not a chance...Haye is an easy target, he keeps his left hand too low and he has a glass chin...Wlad will take out Haye in the early rounds.

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