Users You Suspect Are Siding Along Racial Lines

[javelin_fangs]

It happens to me all the time. People think I'm black.

I also got called a fake white person or something like that by Smokin' (god I hope he is dead), because I'm not a fan of Kelly Pavlik. THE WHITE GUY WHO ONLY SUPPORTS BLACK FIGHTERS!!!! LOLOL

This is when I had an avatar of the Cuban Joel Casamayor...

God this race **** is tight. No, really, it actually probably makes this forum better. **** talking about boxing, let's all raise our fists in unison with our race and spew racial slurs. Tight **** guys. Seriously... it's the *******.

Lol.

I think I'm the only Mexican on this board who think the whole Mayweather ducked Margarito theory is pure BS.

I love Freddy Roach, but he's wrong when he says Mexicans don't like Mayweather because of his style. I've got a few poker buddies rooting for Mayweather because I got them to appreciate the talent over the style.

I'd put all my points that the majority of people who've gotten into arguments with me on these board didn't think I was Mexican.

[Scoooter]

Contests fought across racial and nationalistic divides have always played a large part in boxing.

"...through ethnic, racial and cultural differences were rivalries built: individuals were more than just athletes; they represented entire cultures and carried that support into the ring. It was through these rivalries – the Blacks v. the Whites, the Irish v. the ***s, and American democracy v. **** authoritarianism, etc. – that boxing achieved a mythic status all its own..." (From something Scoooter wrote a time ago.)

[javelin_fangs]

Anybody who roots only for their own race is not a racist. I noticed at the fights I've been to, that black people almost always root for black fighters - but that doesn't make them racist. There are at least 20 members here who always root for the black guy, but I don't consider them racist for that.

Racism to me is hatred of people because of their race. The people who hate and constantly attack boxers because of their race, are clearly racist. Some people here show a jealousy of successful white fighters. There are some here who frequently ridicule Wlad and Calzaghe and others because they are white - the more successful a white fighter is, the more ridicule he receives! This is because they deeply believe white boxers are inferior, and when a white guy wins, it shakes that belief.

Strangely, there are also some self-hating white people who love black fighters and hate white boxers.

I can name names, but we all know who the racists are..

I root for fighters of all nationalities and races. The ones I don't like are loud-mouthed braggarts and poor sports, and those of weak character. I detest runners, and although I appreciate a good defensive fighter, I prefer a courageous come-forward fighter like Calzaghe.

I like fighters with courage and heart in the ring, who walk down their opponents. Although I'm not Mexican, all the Mexican fighters I've seen have those qualities, so I tend to almost always root for them.

I agree with this post almost 100%.

I do think a lot of the hate for guys like Pavlik, Calzaghe and even Wlad Klitchko is based on race just as I think most of the hate for Mayweather, Spinks and Hopkins is based on race. All six of them are great fighters.

Obviously, there are some stylistic issues with these six fighters. But when it goes beyond "Pavlik doesn't move his head" or "Mayweather doesn't use all of his offensive potential" or "Klitchko doesn't get rid of dudes when they're ready to go" I think it's borderline racist.

When it becomes an obsession. When you're posting multiple posts deriding one of the elite fighters every week it starts to become borderline racist. At that point the people making the post should ask themselves, why? Or, why is it necessary?

[Fox McCloud]

Dude... saying Judah is relevant while white fighters without titles aren't is not racist.

Can you tell me what white fighter should be considered more relevant than Zab Judah?

Literally, Zab Judah has lost all of his big fights, but has looked damn good in them. There is always the belief that he can beat anyone if he is on that night.

Judah is also a former undisputed, unified champion of a division. What white fighters are ignored that have that credential on their resume at some point?

Like I said Tunney, it's not necessarily racist that people don't respect all white fighters as much as they respect black fighters. As you know, there are a lot of black fighters, especially from the US, meaning that people from the US are going to be watching black fighters a lot more.

The US networks broadcast black fighters more than white fighters, so you can't be overly critical of people having a bias towards them. They are merely taking note of the fighters from their home country that are doing well.

I mean, literally, what American white fighters are great? Kelly Pavlik? Sure, that's one. Who else?

So cut the racist **** out. I like Winky Wright and Vernon Forrest. They are both black. Does that make me racist that I couldn't give a **** less about most white fighters? Not really. It's not intentional.

I think Calzaghe is really good.
I am a big fan of Kessler.
Pavlik can go **** himself in my book.
I'm pretty much neutral on all other white fighters.

It also doesn't help that the division that white fighters dominate the most in (heavyweights) has no shot in hell of having a credible heavyweight champion in the next twenty years.

So... here is what I'm saying. Stop outright calling people racist. It's ****ing annoying. While there may be a few posters on here who do have a membership to the black panthers... most don't. So stop acting like anyone who isn't in love with the Klitschkos is a racist. Please.

[Njord777]

Awhile back there was a thread where someone was kind enough to post the entire Pauli Malinaggi documentary for everyone to watch. The thread did very well, had dozens of pages, and yet nobody really brought up the fact that Lou Dibella openly says that, for years, it was noticed that white fighters lacked the natural speed of other races and therefore had to rely on power and be brawlers before boxers. That is very racist. Now, it may be true- something can be true and both racist- as taboo as that is. Asians, for instance, do better statistically on the SAT's and other standardized tests than other races. Especially the females. I'm a psychology student and I've had to taken several race relate classes, and that's one example of how, usually through social upbringings rather than genetics, there can be differences along racial lines.

That said, I don't think there is anything wrong with picking a fighter along racial lines. I mean, usually when a fight fan picks a fighter he goes with the man he likes best- either because he relates more to his fighting style, his personality...or his life story. A Mexican relates to a fellow Mexican. A Thai man to a Thai fighter, etc. It's to be expected, really. People associate with other members of their race - it happens in daily society, why not in boxing fandom?

I think it only becomes a problem where there's more than a simple preference but an actual prejudice. When someone dislikes a specific race, and their fighters, or always picks their nationality or race in a very bigoted, ignorant manner. When you can tell their love of the man's race is more important than his fighting style, personality, or any other single factor. Race is a reason to like a fighter more for many- for instance, let's say someone likes the way Margarito brawls, they like his come forward style, and they find his tough-act cool..and they also happen to be Mexican and therefore support and associate with him more because of it.

For the record, in case anyone feels me playing devil's advocate makes me one of the "bad, racist people" I'm white and preferred Taylor over Pavlik, Mayweather over Hatton, yet always go for Klitschko and Calzaghe. What strikes me more than anything is a fighter's background, what type of man they are- coupled with the style in which they fight.

[βetamax]

This is no longer the case. You have a black presidential nominee all but locked in, you have a black secretary of state, you have a black Supreme Court Justice, the most powerful woman in the media is black, the richest sportsman is black. The simple fact is that doors that were closed to people of colour are now open.

I'm not trying to suggest that racism in America has disappeared, far from it. I just don't think that it is necessarily true that whites have all the power.

A lot of these are examples of tokenism, basically bear minimum effort to give the appearance of being about equality. I'm sure you've seen TV shows are commercials where there is a single black character. The thought process for doing this is "oh yea, lets find a black person to fill this last role so we don't get criticized for being racist". Also, being rich doesn't necessarily mean you have power. Like in that Chris Rock clip, it's often a white person signing the check of the rich black person. Plus having a black person in a high position doesn't mean anything if they don't give a damn about other people of color.

IF ***** is elected President is would be a huge step but that has yet to happen. There are plenty of racist out there trying to discredit him as though he's going to try to turn the tables on white people. Again, it's ultimately going to be up to white people to decide if he's elected.

Also, it's not a system of absolutes where black have 0 power and whites have 100%. The problem is there isn't a balance of power.

Getting back to the rooting for white fighters because you are white example, I mentioned the power difference and part of this is privilege. It's an advantage to be white whether you are in a job interview, being pulled over by the police, or getting a loan. If you don't accept this then ask yourself a simple question. If I had the ability to choose between being black and white in each of these situations, what would I choose? I think you know the answer if your being honest with yourself.

If you take the example of Kelly Pavlik. He's a good fighter and exciting to watch. However, if there was a carbon copy fighter of Kelly Pavlik that was black from Youngstown, OH, would he be getting the same amount of praise? Would all those same people from Youngstown be following him across the country to fight? I think he would definitely popular but not quite on the same level as Pavlik so again the privilege of being white shows.

There is also an over representation of whites in prominent positions in other fields and therefore I just don't see the need to find a white hero in boxing. Look at Asian-Americans. You can probably count with your fingers how many Asians there are to look up to in the US despite making up almost 5% of the population. So there is more a need in these types of situations to be supportive.

[βetamax]

Awhile back there was a thread where someone was kind enough to post the entire Pauli Malinaggi documentary for everyone to watch. The thread did very well, had dozens of pages, and yet nobody really brought up the fact that Lou Dibella openly says that, for years, it was noticed that white fighters lacked the natural speed of other races and therefore had to rely on power and be brawlers before boxers. That is very racist. Now, it may be true- something can be true and both racist- as taboo as that is. Asians, for instance, do better statistically on the SAT's and other standardized tests than other races. Especially the females. I'm a psychology student and I've had to taken several race relate classes, and that's one example of how, usually through social upbringings rather than genetics, there can be differences along racial lines.

That said, I don't think there is anything wrong with picking a fighter along racial lines. I mean, usually when a fight fan picks a fighter he goes with the man he likes best- either because he relates more to his fighting style, his personality...or his life story. A Mexican relates to a fellow Mexican. A Thai man to a Thai fighter, etc. It's to be expected, really. People associate with other members of their race - it happens in daily society, why not in boxing fandom?

I think it only becomes a problem where there's more than a simple preference but an actual prejudice. When someone dislikes a specific race, and their fighters, or always picks their nationality or race in a very bigoted, ignorant manner. When you can tell their love of the man's race is more important than his fighting style, personality, or any other single factor. Race is a reason to like a fighter more for many- for instance, let's say someone likes the way Margarito brawls, they like his come forward style, and they find his tough-act cool..and they also happen to be Mexican and therefore support and associate with him more because of it.

For the record, in case anyone feels me playing devil's advocate makes me one of the "bad, racist people" I'm white and preferred Taylor over Pavlik, Mayweather over Hatton, yet always go for Klitschko and Calzaghe. What strikes me more than anything is a fighter's background, what type of man they are- coupled with the style in which they fight.

That is racist garbage. However, I feel it's more of a disservice to other races, blacks in particular since it supports century old pseudo-science that blacks are somehow more primal.

[Drunk Punch]

I think America is obsessed with race.

These days no-one can be just an American, they have to be African-American, Latin-American, Italian-American etc etc. What's with that?

[Ray*]

It happens to me all the time. People think I'm black.

I also got called a fake white person or something like that by Smokin' (god I hope he is dead), because I'm not a fan of Kelly Pavlik. THE WHITE GUY WHO ONLY SUPPORTS BLACK FIGHTERS!!!! LOLOL

This is when I had an avatar of the Cuban Joel Casamayor...

God this race **** is tight. No, really, it actually probably makes this forum better. **** talking about boxing, let's all raise our fists in unison with our race and spew racial slurs. Tight **** guys. Seriously... it's the *******.

This is exactly what i have come across on these forum, People trying to second-guess my race, If you dont join in and critise a certain fighter from a certain race then you're suppose to be the same race like the fighter!!! And if you critise there favourite fighter it means you're the opposite race as them..Which is BS....Am not blinded by race, Nationality or a boxers fight style, I picked boxer base on what they have achieve, Who they beat in achieving those titles and how they conduct themselves in the ring not how the media try to portray them or How those fighters like to use the media to there advantage.

[Ryn0]

GUNSTAR! wherever he went. He said he would only pick a white if the opponent was a ****** or a ***.