Floyd Needs to lose it will make him a bigger star.

[The Next Champ]

Last nite i was watching Leonard-Benitez and a though came to my mind that i felt i need to address with people on this forum. I cant help but think how it was back in the day when the best constantly fought the best so that the winner with out a doubt would be the champion of that division. And i was tryin to name names for guys that Ali, Ray Leonard, Joe Louis, Ray robinson ever ducked and i cant name any. these greats all have defeats on their records but every single one of them came bak to beat the guy that beat them....Ali-Frazier, Leonard- Duran....and so on. In todays era or ever a little bit bak....the present fighters duck the **** out of each other. Its sad to the fans and overall its sad to theiselves. When i see Mayweather, and Roy Jones...i say to myself why not fight all the big names in the division i mean are they really this scared to lose or is it just the money factor. Is it legacy or salary nowadays? Floyd says he is the best fighter today and is one of the all time greats.....but can he rebound from adversity is the question? What if Cotto beats him (if they fight) can mayweather rebound to beat him bak. If he does he becomes bigger than he is now...So Floyd y not take some risks and lay it all out on the line with all that talent he possess??

[2501]

risks arent part of the floyd formula. its gotten him to where he is today where many fighters can only dream of reaching.

[The Next Champ]

risks arent part of the floyd formula. its gotten him to where he is today where many fighters can only dream of reaching.

You honestly dont get what im trying to say....So put it like this if Floyd retires right now would u put him top 10 all time in which Leonard, Ali, and Ray robinson is in.

[AntonTheMeh]

ray robinson was reported to have ducked charley burley.and my fav fighter of all time is robinson .

[2501]

You honestly dont get what im trying to say....So put it like this if Floyd retires right now would u put him top 10 all time in which Leonard, Ali, and Ray robinson is in.

i dont like making these types of list because it would require knowledge that i dont have of ALL the great fighters. but what i HAVE seen are list from respected writers and analysts and i have scarcely seen Floyd in the top 20.

i agree with what you are saying, there are Floyd fans here who claim that Cotto would do nothing for Floyd's legacy which I dont understand because when the world is calling for you to fight a certain boxer, that will clearly enhance your legacy. but Floyd has meticulously crafted his resume and career with calculated choices, picks and moves and i get the sense that he feels this wouldnt be the best move for him because the possibility of it not going his way may be prominent. i think he is waiting for the situation to become more lucrative career wise and financially. thats what he has always done through out his career, but it doesnt mean its the way it should be done.

[Ras44]

You honestly dont get what im trying to say....So put it like this if Floyd retires right now would u put him top 10 all time in which Leonard, Ali, and Ray robinson is in.

I wouldn't put him even ahead of Benítez.

Generally speaking, yes, losing to the right opponent and then avenging the defeat enhances a fighter's career. I have always thought that if Julio César Chávez had lost his first fight against Taylor, he would have looked a lot better after his destruction of Taylor in the second fight. Now no one gives him much credit for the second fight as compared with everyone calling the stoppage one of the biggest robberies in boxing history.

[Ras44]

i dont like making these types of list because it would require knowledge that i dont have of ALL the great fighters. but what i HAVE seen are list from respected writers and analysts and i have scarcely seen Floyd in the top 20.

i agree with what you are saying, there are Floyd fans here who claim that Cotto would do nothing for Floyd's legacy which I dont understand because when the world is calling for you to fight a certain boxer, that will clearly enhance your legacy. but Floyd has meticulously crafted his resume and career with calculated choices, picks and moves and i get the sense that he feels this wouldnt be the best move for him because the possibility of it not going his way may be prominent. i think he is waiting for the situation to become more lucrative career wise and financially. thats what he has always done through out his career, but it doesnt mean its the way it should be done.

Or he may be waiting for the right moment to face a dangerous WW. For example, assume that Cotto and Margarito DO go to a war, with multiple knockdowns scored by both fighters. A war much like Tito/Vargas. If that does happen, I expect Mayweather to be the one calling for a fight with either Margarito or Cotto.

[The Next Champ]

i dont like making these types of list because it would require knowledge that i dont have of ALL the great fighters. but what i HAVE seen are list from respected writers and analysts and i have scarcely seen Floyd in the top 20.

i agree with what you are saying, there are Floyd fans here who claim that Cotto would do nothing for Floyd's legacy which I dont understand because when the world is calling for you to fight a certain boxer, that will clearly enhance your legacy. but Floyd has meticulously crafted his resume and career with calculated choices, picks and moves and i get the sense that he feels this wouldnt be the best move for him because the possibility of it not going his way may be prominent. i think he is waiting for the situation to become more lucrative career wise and financially. thats what he has always done through out his career, but it doesnt mean its the way it should be done.

I agree in that sense but heres another thing that i look at... the guys bak then where not gettin paid as much as the guys of today so i would say guys bak then could have been a lil more hungry...but whoever was a threat to their crown...best believe they fought them

[2501]

Or he may be waiting for the right moment to face a dangerous WW. For example, assume that Cotto and Margarito DO go to a war, with multiple knockdowns scored by both fighters. A war much like Tito/Vargas. If that does happen, I expect Mayweather to be the one calling for a fight with either Margarito or Cotto.

well, i REALLY REALLY doubt he would ever step in the ring with Margarito. If I was floyd, I wouldnt step in the ring with Margarito even though I would be 100% confident I could beat him.

the problem with Margo is that if you are naturally smaller and least likely to hurt him, it would be nearly impossible to win in an attractive manner. you can win a fight and STILL lose with the fans. Someone like Floyd would have to box all 12 rounds of that fight. Constantly back peddling, pot shotting, and moving away from Margarito winning a decision in a fight where most of the fans would consider you running away and declining to fight. Margarito also doesnt offer much for Floyd's legacy. Margo has never cracked the top P4P list to my knowledge, though I could be wrong, and wouldnt even be the top3 in his own division. His accomplishments have been less than stellar his fault or not.

Take the Baldomir/Mayweather fight. the fans in attendance started booing the fight and many started exiting before the fight even ended. Even though won THE WW Belt, the fight completely hurt his marketability because of such a boring performance. So in a sense, he NEEDED oscar and the 24/7 series to erase the stigma and aura of the Baldomir fight. Thats why I really dont see Margarito/Mayweather ever happening.

[Ras44]

well, i REALLY REALLY doubt he would ever step in the ring with Margarito. If I was floyd, I wouldnt step in the ring with Margarito even though I would be 100% confident I could beat him.

the problem with Margo is that if you are naturally smaller and least likely to hurt him, it would be nearly impossible to win in an attractive manner. you can win a fight and STILL lose with the fans. Someone like Floyd would have to box all 12 rounds of that fight. Constantly back peddling, pot shotting, and moving away from Margarito winning a decision in a fight where most of the fans would consider you running away and declining to fight. Margarito also doesnt offer much for Floyd's legacy. Margo has never cracked the top P4P list to my knowledge, though I could be wrong, and wouldnt even be the top3 in his own division. His accomplishments have been less than stellar his fault or not.

Take the Baldomir/Mayweather fight. the fans in attendance started booing the fight and many started exiting before the fight even ended. Even though won THE WW Belt, the fight completely hurt his marketability because of such a boring performance. So in a sense, he NEEDED oscar and the 24/7 series to erase the stigma and aura of the Baldomir fight. Thats why I really dont see Margarito/Mayweather ever happening.

I agree with your analysis of what could happen if Mayweather fights Margarito, but I still think that if he senses that any of these two is shot and wasted, he will call for a match.

Hell, even Wilfredo Rivera scored an amazing knockdown on Fernando Vargas after Vargas went to war with Tito. Yes, Wilfredo Rivera.