Who has David Haye beat?

[Dick-Sucker]

What a ****load of ****. How can you rate someone 2nd, when he hasn't done jack**** in the Heavyweight Divison?!?!

Its not like one division is playing soccer and the other one hockey.

Its boxing.

And cruiserweight is as strong if not stronger than a weak HW division. Thats how i come to my conclusion.

E.G Pavlik moves up to SMW hes automatically the 2nd best guy behind Kess. in my eyes.

Thats just how boxing is.

[aussieboxer2320]

The Cruiserweights are ****.



Haye can't hold Holyfield's jockstrap, he will NEVER even get close to what Holyfield accomplished at heavyweight....Haye will probably get exposed and KO'd at heavyweight before he even gets a shot at Klitschko.

Toney did jack**** at heavyweight by the way.



2nd best HW in the division??...Haha....This is a very dellusional dumb post....Haye is a nobody, he hasn't beat anybody...He is nothing in the heavyweight division right now...He needs to prove himself.

the cruiserweights are ****???? what about the heavyweights? i dont really see any talent in any of those guys (wlad, sultan etc) haye needs a few fights at heavyweight and sme time to let his body adjust and believe me, he will knock wlad out

[Mike Tyson77]

Why was Haye talking about Klitschko fighting bums?
Klitschkos resume is 10 times better..

Klitschko has fought and beaten names like Chris Byrd (Twice), Lamon Brewster, Sultan Ibragimov, Calvin Brock, Francois Botha, Samuel Peter, Jameel McCline, Ray Mercer, Monte Barrett... And Haye is talking about HIS resume?! Wladimir ALWAYS fought the best.

Haye beat Enzo "Big Bum" Maccarinelli, Mormeck and Bonin (Tomato can).. That's about all I can think off.

Wladimir is the World Heavyweight Champion for a reason, now I know some of you people are gonna be like "Ugh, Haye is Crusierweight champ for a reason" - Yeah, but that dosen't mean he's gonna beat Klitschko.

Haye has got a **** defense and poor stamina and his chin can't make up for it.. At least Wladimir knows his chin is average so he built up a defense in order to make up for that and avoid getting tagged alot..

Haye is entering the Heavyweight Divison (God knows when, he just turned the Tua fight down - A fight I believe Haye would get knocked out in) and needs to built up at least some sort of a defense and not keep his left hand so low, in order to succeed. The Heavyweight divison has got some big ****ing hitters and Haye would just crumble when they tagged his weak chin.

Great Post my brother!!!! Wlad is the baddest man on the planet!!

[KESSLER]

Its not like one division is playing soccer and the other one hockey.

Its boxing.

And cruiserweight is as strong if not stronger than a weak HW division. Thats how i come to my conclusion.

E.G Pavlik moves up to SMW hes automatically the 2nd best guy behind Kess. in my eyes.

Thats just how boxing is.

There is a rankings system though, I don't know if you ever heard of it.

[Drunk Punch]

why don't we all judge Haye when he's actually fought a couple of world class HWs?

[Dick-Sucker]

There is a rankings system though, I don't know if you ever heard of it.

Okay so your saying if Pavlik moves up to SMW he wouldn't be top 5? because of the rankings system?

Your logic lacks common sense.

Haye #2 in a weak heavyweight division. Look at Tony Thompsons age. Look at Ibragimovs performance against Klitscko. Look at Povetkins speed (non-existent). Haye is superior to these guys in a lot of areas.

[Mike Tyson77]

why don't we all judge Haye when he's actually fought a couple of world class HWs?

for real, lets see is he can hang with the big boys first before everyone gets all worked up over him.

[KESSLER]

Okay so your saying if Pavlik moves up to SMW he wouldn't be top 5? because of the rankings system?

Your logic lacks common sense.

Haye #2 in a weak heavyweight division. Look at Tony Thompsons age. Look at Ibragimovs performance against Klitscko. Look at Povetkins speed (non-existent). Haye is superior to these guys in a lot of areas.

If he moved up and had a fight, a fight which he actually won - Then he'd crack the top 5.. Same with Haye! when he gets his next fight and wins it, we can start talking about him being even in the top 10. He is not even a top 10 fighter in the division.

So because he is superior to these guys (according to you) he should be ranked HIGHER than them? Brewster can punch like a mule, he's a bigger hitter than Povetkin and Ibragimov - Should we rank him higher? No, because it's all about who you fight and what you achieve ... And right now, Haye hasn't done ANYTHING in the Heavyweight division to be a #2 ..

Obviously, you don't know what the **** you're talking about since this is not a thread about Mundine.. Actually, scrap that. I remember you saying that Kessler-Mundine II could end in a DRAW?! So obviously you don't know anything about your favorite fighter either.

[Dick-Sucker]

If he moved up and had a fight, a fight which he actually - Then he'd crack the top 5.. Same with Haye! when he gets his next fight and wins it, we can start talking about him being even in the top 10. He is not even a top 10 fighter in the division.

So because he is superior to these guys (according to you) he should be ranked HIGHER than them? Brewster can punch like a mule, he's a bigger hitter than Povetkin and Ibragimov - Should we rank him higher? No, because it's all about who you fight and what you achieve ... And right now, Haye hasn't done ANYTHING in the Heavyweight division to be a #2 ..

Obviously, you don't know what the **** you're talking about since this is not a thread about Mundine.. Actually, scrap that. I remember you saying that Kessler-Mundine II could end in a DRAW?! So obviously you don't know anything about your favorite fighter either.

Your last paragraph shows me you don't have the intellect to have a decent discussion. Always resorting to slanging matches.

Well from what your saying, change your argument.

Im saying Haye is the 2nd best fighter in the division now. Your not saying that. Your saying hes not ranked number 2, which doesn't mean ****.

Get your facts straight. And stop trying to get into 3 year old fights on the net.

You give me a guy who can beat David Haye at HW other than Klitschko and i will listen. But i have seen all the top 5 Povetkin, Peter, Thomposon, Ibragimov and Haye would beat all of them comftorably.

[KESSLER]

Your last paragraph shows me you don't have the intellect to have a decent discussion. Always resorting to slanging matches.

Well from what your saying, change your argument.

Im saying Haye is the 2nd best fighter in the division now. Your not saying that. Your saying hes not ranked number 2, which doesn't mean ****.

Get your facts straight. And stop trying to get into 3 year old fights on the net.

You give me a guy who can beat David Haye at HW other than Klitschko and i will listen. But i have seen all the top 5 Povetkin, Peter, Thomposon, Ibragimov and Haye would beat all of them comftorably.

Ibragivmov, Chagaev, Peter, Brewster, Povetkin, Valuev, Dimitrenko would all beat Haye.

And yes, I'm saying he's not ranked number 2 - And he is not the 2nd best fighter in that division either.