The perfect analogy on why Paulie M. will beat Hatton

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  • Vladimir303
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    #61
    Originally posted by Winkyftw!
    The fighter A did well against fighter B so he will beat fighter C because Fighter C did bad against fighter D stuff is never correct in any way so i dont at all understand the analogy
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    In some cases it does. When you have the classic boxer vs brawler/pressure fighter showdown. Malignaggie was that guy Vs Cotto and he took everything Cotto had and went the distance losing 116-112 or something winning a few rounds in the process. Not many people took everything Cotto has and made it all 12 rounds and Malignaggie did.

    So I don't see a lighter hitting, less accurate smaller fighter in Hatton doing as good or bettter then Cotto did. Yes he puts on great pressure but it has already been proven that he isn't as good at it as Jose Louis Castillo. Some Hatton fans tried to make the analogy that Hatton fight just like Castillo but does everything better. That has been proven wrong.

    In fact, just his last fight vs Lazcano, he got caught with some Mayweather-ish counter punches and Lazcano is a garbage fighter.
    Last edited by Vladimir303; 08-23-2008, 05:54 PM.

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    • Winkyftw!
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      #62
      Originally posted by vladimir303
      In some cases it does. When you have the classic boxer vs brawler/pressure fighter showdown. Malignaggie was that guy Vs Cotto and he took everything Cotto had and went the distance losing 116-112 or something winning a few rounds in the process. Not many people took everything Cotto has and made it all 12 rounds and Malignaggie did.

      So I don't see a lighter hitting, less accurate smaller fighter in Hatton doing as good or bettter then Cotto did. Yes he puts on great pressure but it has already been proven that he isn't as good at it as Jose Louis Castillo. Some Hatton fans tried to make the analogy that Hatton fight just like Castillo but does everything better. That has been proven wrong.
      Yea but these fighters have completly different footwork and styles of agression so how can you compare that way?

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        #63
        Originally posted by frankpaganini
        I can't say i disagree on what you expect the outcome to be (ie. Paulie Malignaggi beating Ricky Hatton) but i do disagree on how you think it will be.

        I learned a long time ago dont base who could beat who because of who they each fought in the past because while logically it seems like a good measuring stick its not.

        Look at say; Bernard Hopkins and Jermain Taylor. Taylor won a decision over hopkins (twice) and Pavlik won a decision (and via knockout) over taylor twice...so does that mean pavlik would bury hopkins and knockhim out within 4 rounds if they fought? no. you cant base it off that.

        I think Paulie Malignaggi will defeat hatton however.

        Paulie is a textbook pure boxer...doesnt have great power (he has poor power; very poor power); and he has pretty solid defense. His jab is his best tool and should use it early and often. Stick and move from the outside (not allowing hatton inside at all which he will be trying to do as he has the shorter reach).

        Paulie's biggest issues in this fight will be; how to keep hatton away with paulie's lack of power? and can paulie tie hatton up when he bullies his way inside?

        Hatton on the other hand MUST fight on the inside. he has short arms; the shorter fighter; etc. and it plays into his style as he likes to fight inside.

        Hatton is going to need to implement a jab if he stands a chance at winning. if all he does is bully his way in and swing like a wildman he will get a boxing clinic from paulie...so hatton needs to come in and out off the jab. in fact hatton shouldnt even as much as blink without the jab.

        when hatton does get inside on paulie he needs to make the most of it. he needs to go with combinations to the body to slow paulie down. left hooks to the body and uppercuts to the body...hatton needs to slow paulie down with the body attack...and in the later rounds gun for the knockout. that will be his best chance...

        its very unlikely (damn near impossible) that paulie will win by knockout and very unlikely (damn near impossible) hatton will win a decision over a boxer as textbook as paulie.

        so paulie needs to stick and move and attempt to make the fight (as many seem to say as), "boring" as possible to cruise to a decision and hatton needs to work behind the jab and work the body; and gun for a knockout in the late rounds.

        My pick: Paulie Malignaggi via close decision
        glad you took the time to make a real fight breakdown... I think you nailed it pretty much.. I would just add that Ricky should probably jab to the body a lot to work his way in and occasionally try to counter Paulie's jab with a straight right to the body, (preferably the ribs right under that extended left).. For Paulie, the health of his hands come into play. If they can hold up so he can throw a stiff jab while stepping side to side he can keep Ricky from getting that bouncing rhythm he seems to need to be effective. A stiff jab with just enough of a straight right to keep Ricky from bulldozing, along with a lot of angles in the middle of the ring will get Paulie the win. He's tough enough and if his conditioning is there he can pull out the decision.

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          #64
          Originally posted by vladimir303
          In some cases it does. When you have the classic boxer vs brawler/pressure fighter showdown. Malignaggie was that guy Vs Cotto and he took everything Cotto had and went the distance losing 116-112 or something winning a few rounds in the process. Not many people took everything Cotto has and made it all 12 rounds and Malignaggie did.

          So I don't see a lighter hitting, less accurate smaller fighter in Hatton doing as good or bettter then Cotto did. Yes he puts on great pressure but it has already been proven that he isn't as good at it as Jose Louis Castillo. Some Hatton fans tried to make the analogy that Hatton fight just like Castillo but does everything better. That has been proven wrong.

          In fact, just his last fight vs Lazcano, he got caught with some Mayweather-ish counter punches and Lazcano is a garbage fighter.
          Btw i agree with you about the outcome, did you read the rest of the post?

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            #65
            hey Vlad303 you taking bets on the Hatton v Paulie fight ?

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              #66
              Originally posted by Winkyftw!
              Yea but these fighters have completly different footwork and styles of agression so how can you compare that way?
              Well because I can.

              Sometimes it's just easy to see a fighters abilities. Hatton showed me everything I needed to know vs Collazo, then Mayweather and then Lazcano, for me to be pretty sure that a Malignaggie type of fighter has what it takes to box his ears off. Him putting on a brave performance in a losing effort against Cotto only confirms that. Hatton can't hurt him.

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                #67
                Originally posted by Terrible...
                hey Vlad303 you taking bets on the Hatton v Paulie fight ?
                Sure........how about 10K.

                I got other bets going so I'm on a tight budget.

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                  #68
                  Originally posted by vladimir303
                  Sure........how about 10K.

                  I got other bets going so I'm on a tight budget.
                  SIG it i got 10 k on Hatton

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                    #69
                    Originally posted by Terrible...
                    SIG it i got 10 k on Hatton
                    Ill bet 10000 as well if you want.

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                      #70
                      Originally posted by Winkyftw!
                      Ill bet 10000 as well if you want.
                      ..................

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