..U.K. FANS: Where's The Complaining Now?...

[THe TRiNiTY]

Aight, if we gotta turn this into an argument them:

He did it to Hatton (a brit) so by doing it to Bernard (an american) Its even.

I dont believe it but thats what your gunna get

EDIT- Oh, and the fact Floyd was using loads of Elbows etc amd Calzaghe wasnt

Calzaghe wasn't using elbows, but refs don't ref fights based on, 'No blood, no foul' or 'Well, he got him back with a foul, so now it's even' They are to implement the rules, plain and simple. I'm ALL for head to head fighters, throwing punches. But when arms are entangled, it needs to be broken up.

I am ALL for Hopkins getting his clinches broken up, and I'm a Hopkins fan. What I'm 'complaining' about is how the same fans who got pissed at Cortez (my favorite ref, to be honest) for breaking up clinches in one fight, don't complain whatsoever when he refs virtually the same fight in terms of clinches, THE SAME WAY.

It's hypocritical. That's all.

[T-97]

Calzaghe wasn't using elbows, but refs don't ref fights based on, 'No blood, no foul' or 'Well, he got him back with a foul, so now it's even' They are to implement the rules, plain and simple. I'm ALL for head to head fighters, throwing punches. But when arms are entangled, it needs to be broken up.

I am ALL for Hopkins getting his clinches broken up, and I'm a Hopkins fan. What I'm 'complaining' about is how the same fans who got pissed at Cortez (my favorite ref, to be honest) for breaking up clinches in one fight, don't complain whatsoever when he refs virtually the same fight in terms of clinches, THE SAME WAY.

It's hypocritical. That's all.

Maybe,But my point was...I complained about him in the Hatton/Mayweather fight cause he was on Riks back all the time when Floyd was fouling

it was Bernard fouling, so he got penalised.

[RodBarker]

Because Cortez allowed Bernard to fight on the inside more than he did Hatton. I'm Brit but i ain't complaining, i didnt want him ot so the same thing he did to Hatton, i wanted him to let Hopkins work on the inside, he did a bit.

EDIT- For the record i have never whined about Cortez, i did say that he didnt let Hatton fight inside, but since have retracted such comments. I have no problem with any of Cortezs refereeing, i never had really

The thing is Hatton didnt fight or punch on the inside and many breaks where because of that , actually Hatton done nothing !

[sparked_85]

what could Cortez do to **** Joe?

He isn't obviously dirty.

Cortez showed consistancy, if your an inside fighter......your ****ed.

[sparked_85]

The thing is Hatton didnt fight or punch on the inside and many breaks where because of that , actually Hatton done nothing !

I actually agree, I watched this fight again for only the 2nd time............Hatton was a bundle of nerves

[RodBarker]

I actually agree, I watched this fight again for only the 2nd time............Hatton was a bundle of nerves

Very true , notice how wired Billy was before the fight even started , he had already hit the panic button ,, I think they realized during the ring walk and as soon as they seen Roger they could hear echos of this aint no mo ***en movie .

[THe TRiNiTY]

what could Cortez do to **** Joe?

He isn't obviously dirty.

Cortez showed consistancy, if your an inside fighter......your ****ed.

I agree. However, I've always known this. Hatton fans look at the Cortez job in the Hatton/Castillo fight in the wrong way. Hatton was on his toes MUCH more in that fight. He fought herad to head, not really arms entangled. And when they were, Joe seperated the action. He hardly got involved in that fight and then fans gave Joe a bad time for reffing like he ALWAYS does. Except that in the Mayweather fight, Hatton wasn't on his toes and clinched much more.

This thread isn't to hate on Calzaghe (top three favorite fighters right now) or to defend Hopkins (also top three). It's to point out that my favorite referee gets a bad wrap.

[squealpiggy]

He allowed more infighting by Hopkins than he did with Hatton. The Hatton fight proceeded like this:

Hatton feints, jumps in and throws a punch, Floyd throws one punch and holds.
Cortez breaks them and warns Hatton
Lather, rinse and repeat.

Hopkins was able to hold on with one arm and punch repeatedly for much of the fight. Cortez waited before separateing Joe and Bernard, in the Hatton fight at times he was shouting for a break before the fighters were even touching.

Plus he was eager to warn Joe for low blows but never mentioned the obvious use of the ehad by Hopkins at any point in the proceedings.

[The Noose]

Hopkins was also walking backwards for much of the fight, then clinching in close.

Hatton was going forward and wanting to fight on the inside but wasnt given a chance.

Cortez was breaking Hatton and Floyd up almost before they clinched.

[Kris Silver]

I don't believe Hatton clinched anywhere near as much as Hopkins, or even when he did, in the same way like holding arms and hitting. Hopkins clinched 160 times against Joe, initiated virtually every one.

So going by the Hatton fight, even conservatively, Cortez should have broken up and been as harsh on Hopkins. He wasn't.