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  • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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    Predicting prospects and champions well in advance....

    Once in a while, even when a boxer is young and/or unknown, you just know that he is something special. Someone to look out for. With me, I saw a kid at the 1987 National Golden Gloves that impressed me enough with his boxing skills and ring savvy that were so much different from everyone else in the tournament that I went home and told my father, "You should see this kid out of Florida. I think he's going to make the Olympic team next year."

    And Roy Jones, Jr., did just that.

    In 1993 a kid from my gym named Felix Cruz came back from the 1993 National Golden Gloves Championships and I asked him "if anybody stood out" that he saw there. He said, "Yeah, the kid in my weight class (112 pounds) that won the whole thing. He's only sixteen years old but that kid is NASTY."

    And Floyd Mayweather Jr., is still "nasty."

    (In 1988, my last year as an amateur, there were two young kids just out of the Junior Olympics that had a lot of people talking, too. Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson and "Sugar" Shane Mosley.

    Jones and Mayweather definitely turned out to be major forces in the world of professional boxing. They lived up to the forecasts. Now, there is another one I remember getting praised back in the day that seems to be on that same path to stardom. We'll see how he turns out.

    In 1997 a kid I train named Sammy Vega won the U.S. National Junior Olympics and represented this country at the World Championships in Mexico City. When he returned I asked him the same question I asked Felix four years prior: If anybody at the tournament stood out. He said there was a kid from Puerto Rico that he hung out with and go to know because Sammy is from Puerto Rico originally and he and this kid came from the same town of Caguas. Sammy's mother also shared the same last name as this kid and they wondered and assumed that they might be related.

    That last name was Cotto. Fifteen year old Miguel.

    Note: One more for you. A couple of years ago a featherweight from Connecticut named Matt Remillard represented the USA at the "World Under-19 championships" in South Korea. When he came back I asked him if there were any kids that stood out to him and he made specific mention of a kid boxing for the United Kingdom that he said reminded him of Prince Naseem Hamed. I had never heard of him before but a few months later, when the 2004 Athens Olympiad was over, the majority of the boxing world was very aware of Amir Khan. Some say he is "the future."

    We'll see.
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    Luis Del Valle is another good name coming up. He has highlights on youtube already.

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    • kayjay
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      Didn't Remillard fight on ESPN a few months ago?

      And remind me what happened to "Too Sharp" Johnson . . . .

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        Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
        Once in a while, even when a boxer is young and/or unknown, you just know that he is something special. Someone to look out for. With me, I saw a kid at the 1987 National Golden Gloves that impressed me enough with his boxing skills and ring savvy that were so much different from everyone else in the tournament that I went home and told my father, "You should see this kid out of Florida. I think he's going to make the Olympic team next year."

        And Roy Jones, Jr., did just that.

        In 1993 a kid from my gym named Felix Cruz came back from the 1993 National Golden Gloves Championships and I asked him "if anybody stood out" that he saw there. He said, "Yeah, the kid in my weight class (112 pounds) that won the whole thing. He's only sixteen years old but that kid is NASTY."

        And Floyd Mayweather Jr., is still "nasty."

        (In 1988, my last year as an amateur, there were two young kids just out of the Junior Olympics that had a lot of people talking, too. Mark "Too Sharp" Johnson and "Sugar" Shane Mosley.

        Jones and Mayweather definitely turned out to be major forces in the world of professional boxing. They lived up to the forecasts. Now, there is another one I remember getting praised back in the day that seems to be on that same path to stardom. We'll see how he turns out.

        In 1997 a kid I train named Sammy Vega won the U.S. National Junior Olympics and represented this country at the World Championships in Mexico City. When he returned I asked him the same question I asked Felix four years prior: If anybody at the tournament stood out. He said there was a kid from Puerto Rico that he hung out with and go to know because Sammy is from Puerto Rico originally and he and this kid came from the same town of Caguas. Sammy's mother also shared the same last name as this kid and they wondered and assumed that they might be related.

        That last name was Cotto. Fifteen year old Miguel.

        Note: One more for you. A couple of years ago a featherweight from Connecticut named Matt Remillard represented the USA at the "World Under-19 championships" in South Korea. When he came back I asked him if there were any kids that stood out to him and he made specific mention of a kid boxing for the United Kingdom that he said reminded him of Prince Naseem Hamed. I had never heard of him before but a few months later, when the 2004 Athens Olympiad was over, the majority of the boxing world was very aware of Amir Khan. Some say he is "the future."

        We'll see.
        Excellent read, Ice. Thanks for that!

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        • Silencers
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          Nice read.

          Danny Jacobs' name was thrown around quite a lot as an amateur, I've been impressed with what I've seen of him as a professional so far. I think he has a bright future.

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          • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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            Yes, Remillard is 12-0 and was on ESPN about two months ago...he fights again June 13 here in Hartford. Danny Jacobs is definitely a good prospect, too. The guys I mentioned, though (Jones, Floyd, etc) they REALLY stood out, almost as sure things. I mean, when RJ turned pro every single one of us that knew him from the amateurs knew the only question in regard to him being a champion wasnt IF, it was WHEN.

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              Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
              Yes, Remillard is 12-0 and was on ESPN about two months ago...he fights again June 13 here in Hartford. Danny Jacobs is definitely a good prospect, too. The guys I mentioned, though (Jones, Floyd, etc) they REALLY stood out, almost as sure things. I mean, when RJ turned pro every single one of us that knew him from the amateurs knew the only question in regard to him being a champion wasnt IF, it was WHEN.
              What are your thoughts on the Olympic Team? And who do you think has the most promising future in the pro ranks?

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              • ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
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                It's too hard to tell, man, the computer scoring has RUINED the amateur game. Its a joke now and the kids are forced to fight under its required style.

                Also, for what its worth, I VERY MUCH feel that it is obvious that as each day, month andyear passes the average amateur kid in this country is more and more negativelty affected and influenced by the flash and dash and the trash talking and the showboating and the sneaker contract and the "I'm an entrapaneur/slash/athlete" nonsense. That's why the other countries are surpassing us in both the amateur and the pro ranks in terms of turning out serious individuals who have the rive to be world champions. Our day as a world powerhouse in amateur boxing has passed and we are certainly not turning out the class of future pros that we used to.
                Last edited by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY; 04-24-2008, 11:42 AM.

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                  Originally posted by ICEMAN JOHN SCULLY
                  It's too hard to tell, man, the computer scorign has RUINED the amateur game. Its a joke now and the kids are forced to fight under its required style. Also, for what its worth, I VERY MUCH feel that it is obvious that as each day, month andyear passes the average amateur kid in this country is more and more negativelty affected and influenced by the flash and dash and the trash talking and the showboating and the sneaker contract and the "I'm an entrapaneur/slash/athlete" nonsense. That's why the other countries are surpassing us in both the amateur and the pro ranks in terms of turning out serious individuals who have the rive to be world champions. Our day as a world powerhouse in amateur boxing has passed and we are certainly not turning out the class of future pros that we used to.
                  I agree, American fighters don't have the same hunger and desire that some of the other countries' fighters do and it's hurting American boxing in general. I miss the old days.
                  Last edited by Silencers; 04-24-2008, 11:47 AM.

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                    I really like these types of stories Scully. They give a boxers point of view on other boxers not readily available to us.

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