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[Scott9945]

People can dismiss Calzaghe as much as they want. It wasn't an awesome performance by him against a very difficult opponent. But the truth is that Hopkins really didn't do **** after the first round knockdown. I'm struggling to remember all these "meaningful punches" he supposedly landed between his constant grabbing and fouling.

[THe TRiNiTY]

People can dismiss Calzaghe as much as they want. It wasn't an awesome performance by him against a very difficult opponent. But the truth is that Hopkins really didn't do **** after the first round knockdown. I'm struggling to remember all these "meaningful punches" he supposedly landed between his constant grabbing and fouling.

I am not discrediting him, not in the least. Meaningful punches, by Hopkins, were there, however. Calzaghe got hit by flush shots quite a bit. Especially since Hopkins throws so few punches. Calzaghe did get thrr and hit him with some shots, don't get me wrong, but they had much less sting (and Calzaghe IS the bigger man, regardless of who moved up), and Hopkins atleast MATCHED Calzaghe shot for shot in terms of MEANINGFUL shots.

[The Monk]

Most of the posters I respect most had Calzaghe winning...coincidence?

[Funky_Monk]

I am not discrediting him, not in the least. Meaningful punches, by Hopkins, were there, however. Calzaghe got hit by flush shots quite a bit. Especially since Hopkins throws so few punches. Calzaghe did get thrr and hit him with some shots, don't get me wrong, but they had much less sting (and Calzaghe IS the bigger man, regardless of who moved up), and Hopkins atleast MATCHED Calzaghe shot for shot in terms of MEANINGFUL shots.

Blimey an opinion without resorting to name calling i am impressed.
Thats not a personal dig

[THe TRiNiTY]

Most of the posters I respect most had Calzaghe winning...coincidence?

No. Most of the posters you respect most are posters you'd most likely agree with on a lot of things. Not saying that's for sure the case here, but that could be a reason for that. So, that doesn't really mean much.

[Funky_Monk]

Two in a row. Nicely cutting, i didnt think Hopkins won though for what its worth

[adamk1304]

If calzaghe hadn't come to fight and didn't come forward there wouldn't have been a fight. Hopkins is a boring **** and i can't see how anyone can defend him, even you dumb, cheese steak loving, fat yanks.

[Eaner0919]

Not a conspiracy just HBO PPV cash cow. Joe (The no connect windmill) Calslappy. Too many Brits willing to pay to see the windmill.

explain to me why he is a cash cow to HBO?

the few fights he has had on HBO have been lowly rated including his matchup with Kessler which if I am not mistaken was the lowest rated WCB of 2007

Joe didnt bring the masses like the way Hatton did at best maybe 5000 fans. This was his first major fight in the US and they didnt come. They had to paper most of the arena, they gave away tons of tickets through radio stations (one radio station had 12 of the $1500 seats to give away), and GGP had to give back about 2 million of their site fee for the poor showing.

Hopkins, while waning in the public interest, still drew enough for his last PPV (Winky at 400K) to say he is more known in the US than Calzaghe. He also has history with Jones having met early in their careers and had a proposed rematch on the table (60/40 I tax dat ass!)

I don't see the HBO angle at all

[Scott9945]

I am not discrediting him, not in the least. Meaningful punches, by Hopkins, were there, however. Calzaghe got hit by flush shots quite a bit. Especially since Hopkins throws so few punches. Calzaghe did get thrr and hit him with some shots, don't get me wrong, but they had much less sting (and Calzaghe IS the bigger man, regardless of who moved up), and Hopkins atleast MATCHED Calzaghe shot for shot in terms of MEANINGFUL shots.

I would concede that they may well have been even in meaningful shots. But Joe still deserves credit for outworking Hopkins the entire fight and even for landing the majority of the less substantial punches. Personally I just can't buy into any rationale that Hopkins deserved the decision.

[THe TRiNiTY]

If calzaghe hadn't come to fight and didn't come forward there wouldn't have been a fight. Hopkins is a boring **** and i can't see how anyone can defend him, even you dumb, cheese steak loving, fat yanks.

I watch fighters for different reasons. With Hopkins, I don't expect and don't want a war. I want to watch a wiley ol' veteran show me what it looks like to take a younger guy to his mental peak. It's interesting. It's chess. There can always be high speed chess, such as De La Hoya/Mosley one, but it's not always like that. If I want checkers, I want a Marquez/Vazquez fight.