..How DE LA HOYA Could Beat MAYWEATHER...

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  • THe TRiNiTY
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    ..How DE LA HOYA Could Beat MAYWEATHER...

    I was recently rewatching the De La Hoya/Mayweather matchup and I started to notice the things that both did well and didn't do so well. I was particularly focused on De La Hoya, since the idea of having, in my own mind, the strategy to beat Mayweather is more interesting that finding the strategy to beating Oscar. Especially since he lost.

    What I noticed were three possible fight altering actions that Oscar implemented. He just didn't do them enough, and could have SLIGHTLY altered how he used these tools. I also thought of something I would have done if I were Oscar in that fight. (And no, it's not come into the ring in drag.....)

    1. Jabs and feints! He needed to double his jab up, and even triple it at times. Against a fast guy, who potshots and waits to counter, ou don't give him enough time to potshot when you offset his rhythm and have him thinking even more defensively then he normally would. That's where feints come in. I noticed that when Oscar would feint on the inside, Mayweather covered up the body. Perfect time to drive him against the ropes (where he had success) with two solid left jabs. The most important punch by EITHER, in the majority of their fight.

    2. Rope work. When he had Mayweather against the ropes, he did much better then he did in the middle of the ring. Easy to predict against a fighter like Floyd. But he would fall into the trap of Floyds shoulder-roll defense. You have to be able to time that. Double bodyshot on one side and then one shot to the other would work MUCH better then 7 blocked shots to the same side. It works at times for the judges, but that would be best for the later rounds, to hopefully steal a couple of late rounds. He also did that well, by flurrying at the end of each 3-set. He should continue that.

    3. Rough tactics. He needs them. When he would stand back as Mayweather ducked down, he let valuable time slip away. He needs to force him against the ropes, even if that means bullying him around. When he would flurry and look impressive and land some good shots, he'd have elbows flying and forearms in Mayweathers face. He needs more of that. His defense was great that night, in general and was picking off Mayweathers shots for the most part. Forget what CompuBox said, De La Hoya wasn't really touched much. Not in a serious way. When you add to that with the fact that Mayweather never TRULY hurt De La Hoya, you get the impression that De La Hoya could take that risk to open up, in order to rough Mayweather up.

    The JAB, is what would be key though. He controlled virtually EVERYTHING when he was jabbing.

    The fourth thing I noticed was that for the few brief moments that he was on his toes, he was pretty successful. In fact, if memory serves, Oscar stunned Floyd in the 11th round while bouncing on his toes. If he could switch between being on his toes to staying flat footed equally, he'd have a better chance of making Mayweather weary of him, and have a better chance to win. Because when Mayweather didn't throw, when he was still testing the water and then waiting for De La Hoya to tire (which he really didn't do), Oscar won the rounds simply by outworking the timid Mayweather.

    I believe Oscar COULD do this, if he's close to or the exact same fighter he was last May. Also, he has a fight coming up that could help us determine his chances currently. Not even sure he makes it to the September showdown, as Forbes is no one to sleep on. For the record, I had it 116-112 for Mayweather, I'm simply throwing this out there.

    Just something else, the fight was built up SO big that some judge the fight too harshly. If you take the fight as simply a fight between two guys, take away the glammer and just look at the fight is if it's two unknowns, you have a pretty damn good fight. 'High speed chess' as Merchant correctly put it. With enough action within that chess match to have exciting moments. Not the greatest fight of all time, but I didn't expect it to be. I'm just saying. Anyway, Discuss.
    Last edited by THe TRiNiTY; 04-17-2008, 06:58 AM.
  • oovavu
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    #2
    Jab more and work on his stamina. That would help alot.

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    • T-97
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      #3
      I also like the fight tbh, and i had noticed this to. Mainly the jab, Mayweather Sr will force him to use the jab so i think he is in with a chance.

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      • J Mac
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        #4
        Originally posted by oovavu
        Jab more and work on his stamina. That would help alot.
        seeing as he lost the fight on a split decision, and stoped jabbing after about round 9, you would have to say that is key.

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        • Ras44
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          The jab. A reachy, stingy jab.

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          • Silencers
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            #6
            DLH could win but I don't think he will win.

            The way for him to win is to snap that jab right in Mayweather's chest to push him back into the ropes and start throwing punches once he gets Mayweather on the ropes.

            DLH always had his best success when he was bouncing on his toes, not just in the Mayweather fight, but throughout his whole career. He can't do it that much anymore because his stamina isn't very good and his legs aren't what they used to be.

            And he can't get worried of Mayweather countering his jab with an overhand right, he has to keep pumping that jab, he has a very good jab.

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            • deevel79
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              #7
              Take this to a drag or wwe forum. This here forum is to discuss boxing and boxers.

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              • horge
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                #8
                The **** is your problem?

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                • brently1979
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                  He needs to start by throwing more punches and working the jab more, it wasn't DLH couldn't have won that fight. I think Oscar just ran out of Gas as he always does and couldn't keep up his work rate.

                  DLH's inactivity has been a real problem over the second half of his career, his lack of fights doesn't help him. I wonder if he's ever heard of match fitness.

                  I don't why he didn't get back in there and fought Steve Forbes or some else like that in the later half of last year after the Mayweather loss, except he leaves it a year. He looks like he's put back on a lot of weight.
                  Last edited by brently1979; 04-17-2008, 07:36 AM.

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