Whats the big deal about Paqcuiao?

[My Name Is...]

The big deal is that he's 1 of only 9 in history to have lineal titles in 3weights. Captured his 1st world title same time frame as Morales's 1st title 4 weightclasses lower and still went on to beat Barrera in his prime for his 2nd lineal world title in 03.(if you dont think Barrera was in his prime the 1st fight you must be crazy.) You could easily have called the 2nd Marquez fight a draw but I had Pac winning both fights. He should have won the 1st fight by a 2point margin. He's the hardest puncher in boxing p4p and concensus most exciting fighter in the sport. Convinced yet?? Or should i keep going??

See this is good boxing conversation, I come and give y thoughts on the guy, and some gives their thoughts. BOTH with good facts. Not some of the **** talking like "Mexican Guido" of "**** this puto". People takl to much **** on here. Good K the Fizzle for a good post.

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He beat an old washed up Erik Morales, that would have kicked his ass easy in his prime. An old washed up Barrera that would have kicked his ass in his prime. And JMM that kicked his ass the first fight and should have won (You know he should have, even if your a pinoy) and had a CLOSE fight that could have gone either way with JMM towards the end of his career, who had already kicked his ass. All he has a 1-2. Thats it. He fast with some good pop. But he aint ****. They make a big deal because he beat these guys past their primes. People know how I feel about Cotto and how he has hand picked opponents, Pacquiao is 10x more extreme.

This is a very misinformed post.

Pacquiao is not some guy that just came around recently and started beating old guys. Pacquiao's been fighting at a world class level for a decade.

Pacquiao has won world titles in four weight classes, @ 112, 122, 126, and 130.

It was back in 1998 when Sasakul was regarded as one of the two best flyweights in the world, when Pacquiao beat him for the WBC title with a crushing left hand.

Pacquiao was drained at the weight and stopped shortly after from a body shot by Singsurat.

Pac seems to have taken punches better as he's moved up in weight, as he's less drained.

He took the Ledwaba fight on short notice and beat him for the IBF title at 122, outshining the boring DLH-Castillejo main event on HBO PPV.

People saying Barrera was so old when Pacquiao beat him is quite a bit of revisionist history. Barrera was riding high in 2003 and seen as the king of the featherweight division. He outclassed Naseem Hamed and won a close decision in the rematch with Morales. Very few people at the time were talking about Barrera being old and past it. The prevailing belief was that Barrera was as good as ever, only being smarter in his approach and boxing more. Barrera was ranked #3 on the Ring's P4P rankings at the end of 2002, before losing to Pacquiao in late 2003. Pac didn't just beat him, he annihilated him.

Now I do think that Pacquiao got a little too much credit for going 2-1 against Morales, who was indeed past his best despite a relatively young age in years, but I wouldn't go so far as to call Morales shot. He didn't look too bad in arguably beating lightweight titlist David Diaz.

Furthermore, saying Pacquiao only has a 1-2 is extremely off-base. Pac has always ravaged guys to the body. He would constantly throw quick body shots from both angles, sometimes with more power, sometimes just to keep busy and keep his opponent occupied with the shots. Watch the Hussein fight, or him stopping Luna (I think) to the body, and landing numerous shots to Barrera's body. Pacquiao doubled over Morales to the body in round 1 of the first fight, and was key in the rematch win over Morales. It was the 6th round when Pacquiao turned things around, and watch his body attack.




Pacquiao's right hook was key in the rubber match.

[horge]

in their primes ALL FOUR of them (EM< MAB< MP and JMM) are ATG in their weight division.

Right there:
You just answered your own question, albeit recursively.
Pac's an ATG, hence the big deal.

If you want to go into WHY he's a "hot" boxing property?
Owning a good fight record is one thing, but..
it as more to do (as does boxing in general) with image.

Pac made his name on seeking out primo fighters:
Barrera was not washed up the first time he blundered into Pac.
JMM was not washed up when Pac first fought him to a draw.
Erik was hardly considered washed up when first Pac sought him out.

Three primos virtually in succession, and some decent opponents disposed
of, while waiting for JMM's and Barrera's outfits to get their stuff together
on rematches.

He has an unorthodox and crowd-pleasing attack style,
recently debased, that produces results against all technical expectations.
Casual viewers liked it, while technique-wonks had to respect his results.
It made for good viewing, and that generally means good revenue.
He doesn't fight dirty, and having a relatively humble demeanor helped.

....and...what's a Guido, anyway?

h.

[My Name Is...]

This is a very misinformed post.

Pacquiao is not some guy that just came around recently and started beating old guys. Pacquiao's been fighting at a world class level for a decade.

Pacquiao has won world titles in four weight classes, @ 112, 122, 126, and 130.

It was back in 1998 when Sasakul was regarded as one of the two best flyweights in the world, when Pacquiao beat him for the WBC title with a crushing left hand.

Pacquiao was drained at the weight and stopped shortly after from a body shot by Singsurat.

Pac seems to have taken punches better as he's moved up in weight, as he's less drained.

He took the Ledwaba fight on short notice and beat him for the IBF title at 122, outshining the boring DLH-Castillejo main event on HBO PPV.

People saying Barrera was so old when Pacquiao beat him is quite a bit of revisionist history. Barrera was riding high in 2003 and seen as the king of the featherweight division. He outclassed Naseem Hamed and won a close decision in the rematch with Morales. Very few people at the time were talking about Barrera being old and past it. The prevailing belief was that Barrera was as good as ever, only being smarter in his approach and boxing more. Barrera was ranked #3 on the Ring's P4P rankings at the end of 2002, before losing to Pacquiao in late 2003. Pac didn't just beat him, he annihilated him.

Now I do think that Pacquiao got a little too much credit for going 2-1 against Morales, who was indeed past his best despite a relatively young age in years, but I wouldn't go so far as to call Morales shot. He didn't look too bad in arguably beating lightweight titlist David Diaz.

Furthermore, saying Pacquiao only has a 1-2 is extremely off-base. Pac has always ravaged guys to the body. He would constantly throw quick body shots from both angles, sometimes with more power, sometimes just to keep busy and keep his opponent occupied with the shots. Watch the Hussein fight, or him stopping Luna (I think) to the body, and landing numerous shots to Barrera's body. Pacquiao doubled over Morales to the body in round 1 of the first fight, and was key in the rematch win over Morales. It was the 6th round when Pacquiao turned things around, and watch his body attack.




Pacquiao's right hook was key in the rubber match.

You lived up to your name and stole this thread Good Job and to the guy thats said I answered my own question good job also,

[shadeyfizzle]

Furthermore, saying Pacquiao only has a 1-2 is extremely off-base. Pac has always ravaged guys to the body. He would constantly throw quick body shots from both angles, sometimes with more power, sometimes just to keep busy and keep his opponent occupied with the shots. Watch the Hussein fight, or him stopping Luna (I think) to the body, and landing numerous shots to Barrera's body. Pacquiao doubled over Morales to the body in round 1 of the first fight, and was key in the rematch win over Morales. It was the 6th round when Pacquiao turned things around, and watch his body attack.

White guy broke 3 ribs going up against Pacquiao.


And this video clearly shows all of Pac's weapons besides the 1-2. Very dangerous with both hands.

[JcourT]

Who would you have rather seen him fight to prove his dominance in those divisions? Jesus...I dont think there has ever been any questions about his resume

[supermandathoe]

[QUOTE=HTownTexan;3363449]

An out of prime Barrera and Morales can beat 80% of the division.[/QUOTE/]

Hell No. Erik lost to bum ass, sorry piece of ****, bottom of the barrell, **** stuck between the cracks on the bottom of your shoe David Diaz. Come on dude. Barrera LOST his first fight with ****IN ROCKY JUAREZ. Then lost to JMM, then lost to Pacman. Come on dude, I can tell by your name you dont even believe that. Come on, the same Morales that got schooled by Raheem who lost to ***** ass, no heart, Popo Freitas? Come on, admit it dude, you don't even believe that.

DAMN, I have never seen one user discredit, 7 count them, 7 different fighters ALL in one paragraph. You are a credit to haters everywhere.

[Left Hook Tua]

He beat an old washed up Erik Morales, that would have kicked his ass easy in his prime. An old washed up Barrera that would have kicked his ass in his prime. And JMM that kicked his ass the first fight and should have won (You know he should have, even if your a pinoy) and had a CLOSE fight that could have gone either way with JMM towards the end of his career, who had already kicked his ass. All he has a 1-2. Thats it. He fast with some good pop. But he aint ****. They make a big deal because he beat these guys past their primes. People know how I feel about Cotto and how he has hand picked opponents, Pacquiao is 10x more extreme.

he beat a washed up erik morales that you could argue beat the current lightweight champ david diaz. even though erik was past prime name anyone else that knocked him out? lightweights raheem and diaz couldn't do it.

he beat barrera in 2003 when barrera was the featherweight king and on the top of the p4p list. barrera was close to his prime at the time. not prime but close enough. tell fana , juarez , morales , peden , ayala he was washed up.

juan manuel is in his prime right now. the juan manuel from right now is better than juan manuel 4-5 years ago. just because he's old the years and his fighting style has been good to juan. you can argue that juan beat manny twice. the fights were close. but name any other fighter that you've seen drop marquez 4 times? exactly.

i don't know if you are trying to flame or troll but manny is very talented. not the most skilled but his power and speed is hard to beat. he might have caught those guys past their prime but is it manny's fault that he was born 3-4 years later than those guys? prime is kinda overrated. i don't think juan manuel has lost much since his "prime" days whenever that was and yes erik and marco could've put up better fights if they were younger but how is that manny's fault? he fought the biggest names out there. who else could he have fought the last few years that were bigger than barrera , morales and marquez?

[Left Hook Tua]

An out of prime Barrera and Morales can beat 80% of the division.

i say 90%. juarez , ayala , fana , peden couldn't beat barrera. only lightweights raheem and diaz beat morales aside from marco and manny.

[Left Hook Tua]

[QUOTE=HTownTexan;3363449]

An out of prime Barrera and Morales can beat 80% of the division.[/QUOTE/]

Hell No. Erik lost to bum ass, sorry piece of ****, bottom of the barrell, **** stuck between the cracks on the bottom of your shoe David Diaz. Come on dude. Barrera LOST his first fight with ****IN ROCKY JUAREZ. Then lost to JMM, then lost to Pacman. Come on dude, I can tell by your name you dont even believe that. Come on, the same Morales that got schooled by Raheem who lost to ***** ass, no heart, Popo Freitas? Come on, admit it dude, you don't even believe that.

diaz and raheem are natural lightweights. raheem's movement game erik problems. the diaz fight could've gone either way.

you do realize that manny beat barrera 5 years ago in 2003 right? you're talking about their rematch. barrera beat a lot of good fighters right before and after he loss to manny. barrera beat juarez and could've beat marquez in my opinion. they had a few close rounds and they didn't count the knockdown and took a point from marco.

juarez is lame. freitas has no heart and a ***** ass. diaz is a bum. pacquiao beat no one. you have very low opinions of a lot fighters.