Better Puerto Rican Fighter Prime Felix Trinidad vs Miguel Cotto?

[Left Hook Tua]

Cotto has a long way to go to catch up to Tito!!!

Tito was awesome to watch!!!

agreed. cotto is very good but trinidad in his prime was like unbeatable.

set aside comparisons of their skills and just look at their resume. everyone talks about how bad tito's boxing skills are. funny how it took a HOF middleweight champion to expose such "BAD BOXING SKILLS" from this great welterweight. trinidad was a welterweight who fought EVERY champion at 147 , 154 and 160! he loss once in his prime. cotto has some catching up to do and i'll be rooting for him most of the way......especially when he fights floyd.

[ANDROID_DOES]

Trinidad is the all time puerto rican king of boxing!

[Thread Stealer]

agreed. cotto is very good but trinidad in his prime was like unbeatable.

Nobody is unbeatable, and Trinidad never to me really had that aura of invincibility, probably because of the De La Hoya fight where he looked poor.

set aside comparisons of their skills and just look at their resume. everyone talks about how bad tito's boxing skills are. funny how it took a HOF middleweight champion to expose such "BAD BOXING SKILLS" from this great welterweight. trinidad was a welterweight who fought EVERY champion at 147 , 154 and 160! he loss once in his prime. cotto has some catching up to do and i'll be rooting for him most of the way......especially when he fights floyd.

What are you talking about? Trinidad fought two champions in a period of over 6 years as champ at welterweight: Blocker in 1993, and De La Hoya in 1999. His opposition for much of it was weak, as he was stuck for most of 1995 through 1998 fighting overmatched opponents because Don King was too busy paying more attention to guys like Chavez and Tyson. Ike Quartey was the WBA strapholder from 1994 to 1998, when he got stripped shortly before fighting De La Hoya. Pernell Whitaker was the WBC champ from 1993 (winning it a couple months before Trinidad beat Blocker for the IBF strap) to 1997.

It wasn't for a lack of desire, hell, Trinidad had even sued to try to get out of the contract with King to get bigger fights, and Quartey was the one who pulled out of the fight with Trinidad to fight De La Hoya, but it is what it is.

[Left Hook Tua]

Nobody is unbeatable, and Trinidad never to me really had that aura of invincibility, probably because of the De La Hoya fight where he looked poor.



What are you talking about? Trinidad fought two champions in a period of over 6 years as champ at welterweight: Blocker in 1993, and De La Hoya in 1999. His opposition for much of it was weak, as he was stuck for most of 1995 through 1998 fighting overmatched opponents because Don King was too busy paying more attention to guys like Chavez and Tyson. Ike Quartey was the WBA strapholder from 1994 to 1998, when he got stripped shortly before fighting De La Hoya. Pernell Whitaker was the WBC champ from 1993 (winning it a couple months before Trinidad beat Blocker for the IBF strap) to 1997.

It wasn't for a lack of desire, hell, Trinidad had even sued to try to get out of the contract with King to get bigger fights, and Quartey was the one who pulled out of the fight with Trinidad to fight De La Hoya, but it is what it is.

i know no one is unbeatable. i was a big trinidad fan and until de la hoya boxed his ears off he looked unbeatable to me. he didn't look great against whitaker but who does?

at welterweight he defended his belt against a few former champs and he fought de la hoya for oscar's belt.

at super welterweight he won belts against reid and vargas.

at middleweight he took joppy's wba belt and fought hopkins for his ibf and wbc belts.

that's not fighting champs at 147 , 154 , 160? i mean he didn't fight a megafight everytime but after his star rose for a couple of years there he fought a lot of good fighters.

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i know no one is unbeatable. i was a big trinidad fan and until de la hoya boxed his ears off he looked unbeatable to me. he didn't look great against whitaker but who does?

at welterweight he defended his belt against a few former champs and he fought de la hoya for oscar's belt.

at super welterweight he won belts against reid and vargas.

at middleweight he took joppy's wba belt and fought hopkins for his ibf and wbc belts.

that's not fighting champs at 147 , 154 , 160? i mean he didn't fight a megafight everytime but after his star rose for a couple of years there he fought a lot of good fighters.

I was referring to you saying he fought every champ at those weight classes, and even emphasizing the EVERY in capitals.

He fought ONE guy who was a titleholder at the time at 147 after he won the title in 1993, over six years later! That's not every champion.

And in regards to the Whitaker fight: even though Whitaker was past it (borderline shot fighter), Tito looked good against Whitaker. He was accurate with his shots and gave Whitaker a beating. It was an entertaining fight too. Tito's punches were beautiful and he caught him with all kinds of shots. Jabs, left hooks, straight right that dropped him, left uppercut that rocked him, etc..

[Ras44]

Who is better?

I don't think Trinidad's problems rose from "ring aging"/lesions, in other words, not being in his prime. His problems came after the De la Hoya fight, where he was exposed as an one-dimensional fighter, and anyone that could either follow Oscar's plan without being cowardly, or be able to take his punch, would be able to beat him, and that is what has happened.

Regarding the fight, I don't know, because Cotto doesn't have the physical attributes to pull a "De la Hoya" on Tito, and because Cotto has changed as a fighter. The Cotto that faced Ricardo Torres would have gotten knocked out in 3 rounds by either Tito or DLH, but the Cotto that faced Mosley and Gómez is boxing slick when he wants to, and showing a lot of chin.

Cotto's chin is a puzzle for me. I don't know.

[bestboxingonly]

Cotto's better than the glass chinned Trinidad and has better defense though Tito is a bit more quicker style wise.

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I was referring to you saying he fought every champ at those weight classes, and even emphasizing the EVERY in capitals.

He fought ONE guy who was a titleholder at the time at 147 after he won the title in 1993, over six years later! That's not every champion.

And in regards to the Whitaker fight: even though Whitaker was past it (borderline shot fighter), Tito looked good against Whitaker. He was accurate with his shots and gave Whitaker a beating. It was an entertaining fight too. Tito's punches were beautiful and he caught him with all kinds of shots. Jabs, left hooks, straight right that dropped him, left uppercut that rocked him, etc..

well i hope you understand what i meant. i get excited talking about trinidad sometimes. ha ha ha but you gotta admit his run after the oscar fight and before he loss to hopkins was pretty amazing.

i don't think he looked that good against whitaker. he definitely beat him though. i have a dvd of felix's entire career up to his loss to winky , gotta pop it in and look at it again. even past prime whitaker makes you work.

[Left Hook Tua]

Cotto's better than the glass chinned Trinidad and has better defense though Tito is a bit more quicker style wise.

glass chin? okay......

he's lost 3 times. only koed once and that was at middleweight against hopkins who wore him down. it wasn't a ktfo ko either. it was more like a i'm worn out , i've lost and i'm tired kind of ko.

[Dice]

Trinidad beat:

Maurice Blocker who was 34-3
Hector Camacho 43-2
Yory Boy Campos 56-0
Oba Carr 32-0
A so called washed up coked up Pernell Whitaker who was STILL 40-2
Hugo Pineda who was 36-1
David Ried, Fernando Vargas, William Joppy, De La Hoya

While Cotto has beaten:
Lovemore Ndou 38-6
Kelson Pinto 20-0
Randall Baily 28-4
Demarcus Corley 29-3
Ricardo Torres, Paulie Malignaggi, Oktay urkal, Zab Judah, Shane Mosley, Alfonso Gomez

Folks no matter how one sided Trinidad looks his resume blows Cotto's out the water, he's defended his titles more times, got bigger wins, he's stronger, I mean I don't see the comparison and debate here