Calzaghe This is not Wales, you are not at Home, You are not SAFE. "BhoP WINS...".

[Horus]

Hopkins and Calzaghe are at points in their career in which, their bodies don't wIN the majority of the fights no more, it's their minds that does the fighting...

Who has the most desire to win..?
Who been in tougher fights..?
What do you do when you hurt..?
How can you handle Intentional Fouls..?
How can you adapt to the other fighters gameplan..?
Who has the better trainer ..??
Who Has the most pressure put on him from the build up..?
Who will do anything to win..?
Which fighter has tasted desperate before...?

And all the answer to those questions is Hopkins...
Hopkins i believe has a stronger will to win over Calzaghe...

I firmly believe this, and i don't see How Calzaghe will handle everything Hopkins will do to win..!!

This is not Wales, He is not at Home, He is not SAFE..!!

I was passionately uninformed about Calzaghe

I want to start by saying this, I was wrong about some certain things I said in the past base of the lack of video and information I gotten on him...
I can truly say on some issues I was passionately uninformed....

But with that said I still firmly Believe that Both Hopkins and Calzaghe are at points in their career in which, their bodies don't win the "majority" of the fights no more, it's their minds that does the fighting...


By all indicators, this fight does not seem to be a one sided fight for both Hopkins or Calzaghe.... Meaning one fighter is not just going to Dominate the other fighter physically. So what it really comes down too, Who is going to make their punches count..!


1.Who has the most desire to win..?
Who Has the most pressure put on him from the build up..?

This is why I love **** talking boxers, because they put themselves in the position where they have to perform or face a hell storm of criticism if he loses...

So Understanding that, The first thing Bernard Hopkins does into putting the most pressure on himself.... He puts Himself against an entire Race in this fight. Not just Calzaghe, but "White People."

Hopkins has essentially told the world that this fight is all or nothing...


How much more pressure can you ask for a fighter to put on himself...
But that's what Makes Bernard Performed... That's what makes him Train alittle bit harder, run alittle longer, focus alittle better... Hopkins set a GOAL..
and tries to reach it..

Bernard doesn't haven't anything lose in terms of his record...
But he has everything to lose in term of Pride, AMD most importantly Himself..

Now understanding all this factors Surrounding Hopkins,

Who has the most desire to win...?


The fighter who is fighting just so he wont lose "0"


or

The fighter who is fighting not to let the other fighter win, the fighter who has put himself in the position that if he loses to that "white boy" what does that mean...?

Does it now meaned that, that white person is now and forever better than you...? Something Black People have been hearing forever....

Because you know how racist this board will get if Hopkins lose to Calzaghe...
Racist White People used the term ****** nigg3r like it was apart of the process of their breathing....


Hopkins has essentially told the world that this fight is all or nothing...

Calzaghe will meet his moment of truth

I See Hopkins making calzaghe so nervous, about Hopkins tactic's in the fight Game, that the first time Hopkins Gets away with a Head-butt, I think Calzaghe will meet his moment of truth, Just like Hatton did when wasn't allowed to fight dirty the whole fight..... as soon as Hatton realize that he wasnt going to be able to do what he was used to do he broke down...


The same applies to Calzaghe, what will Calzaghe do when he realizes that the ref will not catch every one of Hopkins fouls, and how will he handle it if the ref doesnt stop hopkins at all.....

How willl Calzaghe handle it Mentally, Will he cry like Hatton, are dig deep and beat Hopkins at his own game Just like Mayweather beat Hatton at his own Game....


This is Important to take note of, because this is what I talk about when I say that Both Hopkins and Calzaghe are at points in their career in which, their bodies don't win the "majority" of the fights no more, it's their minds that does the fighting...


I have seen How Hopkins handle a fighter you couldnt Handle the pressure of a dirty fight (Winky Wirght)

I havent seen how Calzaghe will....




Mark my words Calzaghe will meet his moment of truth...

and I dont think he will pass the test...

Like I said Before

"He is not in Wales, He is not at Home , He is not SAFE..!!"

[Degsy]

yeah I agree. But I do think Woods is better than he showed against Tarver. I was very disappointed in him, in my mind he showed a complete lack of drive, heart and determination.

I don't know the kind of pressure these guys deal with, but Woods was god awful, and a Woods fighting in sheffield would have knocked the Woods fighting in Tampa out, he was that bad.

The nearest British equivalent in another sport is the Cricketer Steve Harmison, he was smashing people over in England and the West Indies but he got homesick and stopped performing when he came up against the World Champs in Australia he was a bit of a homesick *****. Calzaghe, I hope will be more like a Vaughan or Pieterson

[sparked_85]

I was passionately uninformed about Calzaghe

I want to start by saying this, I was wrong about some certain things I said in the past base of the lack of video and information I gotten on him...
I can truly say on some issues I was passionately uninformed....

But with that said I still firmly Believe that Both Hopkins and Calzaghe are at points in their career in which, their bodies don't win the "majority" of the fights no more, it's their minds that does the fighting...


By all indicators, this fight does not seem to be a one sided fight for both Hopkins or Calzaghe.... Meaning one fighter is not just going to Dominate the other fighter physically. So what it really comes down too, Who is going to make their punches count..!


1.Who has the most desire to win..?
Who Has the most pressure put on him from the build up..?

This is why I love **** talking boxers, because they put themselves in the position where they have to perform or face a hell storm of criticism if he loses...

So Understanding that, The first thing Bernard Hopkins does into putting the most pressure on himself.... He puts Himself against an entire Race in this fight. Not just Calzaghe, but "White People."

Hopkins has essentially told the world that this fight is all or nothing...


How much more pressure can you ask for a fighter to put on himself...
But that's what Makes Bernard Performed... That's what makes him Train alittle bit harder, run alittle longer, focus alittle better... Hopkins set a GOAL..
and tries to reach it..

Bernard doesn't haven't anything lose in terms of his record...
But he has everything to lose in term of Pride, AMD most importantly Himself..

Now understanding all this factors Surrounding Hopkins,

Who has the most desire to win...?


The fighter who is fighting just so he wont lose "0"


or

The fighter who is fighting not to let the other fighter win, the fighter who has put himself in the position that if he loses to that "white boy" what does that mean...?

Does it now meaned that, that white person is now and forever better than you...? Something Black People have been hearing forever....

Because you know how racist this board will get if Hopkins lose to Calzaghe...
Racist White People used the term ****** nigg3r like it was apart of the process of their breathing....


Hopkins has essentially told the world that this fight is all or nothing...

Calzaghe will meet his moment of truth

I See Hopkins making calzaghe so nervous, about Hopkins tactic's in the fight Game, that the first time Hopkins Gets away with a Head-butt, I think Calzaghe will meet his moment of truth, Just like Hatton did when wasn't allowed to fight dirty the whole fight..... as soon as Hatton realize that he wasnt going to be able to do what he was used to do he broke down...


The same applies to Calzaghe, what will Calzaghe do when he realizes that the ref will not catch every one of Hopkins fouls, and how will he handle it if the ref doesnt stop hopkins at all.....

How willl Calzaghe handle it Mentally, Will he cry like Hatton, are dig deep and beat Hopkins at his own game Just like Mayweather beat Hatton at his own Game....


This is Important to take note of, because this is what I talk about when I say that Both Hopkins and Calzaghe are at points in their career in which, their bodies don't win the "majority" of the fights no more, it's their minds that does the fighting...


I have seen How Hopkins handlle a fighter you cant Handle the pressure of a dirty fight (Winky Wirght)

I havent seen how Calzaghe will....




Mark my words Calzaghe will meet his moment of truth...

I like the post. I'll try and give you some green K.

But on a side note I don't think Ricky fell apart against Floyd. Ricky just is a one dimensional fighter, he has to rush in. If he stands off he gets ****ed. A la Mayweather. He ate **** loads of shots.

[abadger]

Horus,

I presume you read my posts so I won't go into detail again, but:

But with that said I still firmly Believe that Both Hopkins and Calzaghe are at points in their career in which, their bodies don't win the "majority" of the fights no more, it's their minds that does the fighting...

Perhaps this is true of Hopkins. His recent fights have been close, tetchy affairs that could have gone either way. Joe Calzaghe is still dominating bigger, stronger men, via the physical attributes of incredible chin, incredible stamina, incredible work rate and excellent speed. If he didn't have these attributes there is no way he could have beaten Kessler. Based on this, Hokins relying on his mind, Calzaghe on his boxing ability, surely Calzaghe is the winner.

So Understanding that, The first thing Bernard Hopkins does into putting the most pressure on himself.... He puts Himself against an entire Race in this fight. Not just Calzaghe, but "White People."

U]Hopkins has essentially told the world that this fight is all or nothing...[/U]

Interesting viewpoint: This is not a mythical battle between black and white people. It is a fight between Joe Calzaghe and Bernard Hopkins. Even if Bernard genuinely believes it is, it doesn't make it true. It might provide motivation, but motivation alone will not win a fight. Nor will the moral history of race relations. You have to physically beat the man in front of you. How do you propose that Hopkins can do this?

Who has the most desire to win...?


The fighter who is fighting just so he wont lose "0"


or

The fighter who is fighting not to let the other fighter win, the fighter who has put himself in the position that if he loses to that "white boy" what does that mean...?

It is hardly "just" so he won't lose his 0. A Calzaghe win will go some way toeards cementing his legacy as an ATG. A loss will see him derided as a fraud. This is a much more compelling personal, and above all real reason to want to win the fight. Much more so than the sort of self mythologising, legendary role you ascribe to Hopkins. I find it hard to believe that you really think Hopkins thinks any such thing. Nothing he said indicates it. He only did some slightly racist trash talk.

I agree that if this fight were the final arbiter of karmic justice, destined to finally make up for the sins inflicted on black people by whites, then Hopkins would win and deservedly so. It isn't though, it is a boxing match.

That's what makes him Train alittle bit harder, run alittle longer, focus alittle better... Hopkins set a GOAL..
and tries to reach it..

Bernard doesn't haven't anything lose in terms of his record...
But he has everything to lose in term of Pride, AMD most importantly Himself..

All of these points could just as easily be applied to Joe Calzaghe. He too has goals, pride and self respect. He has more to lose than Hopkins for sure, but surely this will only motivate him in exactly the way you describe.

I See Hopkins making calzaghe so nervous, about Hopkins tactic's in the fight Game, that the first time Hopkins Gets away with a Head-butt, I think Calzaghe will meet his moment of truth.

Joe Calzaghe is not going to crumble just because he gets headbutted. He has been undefeated as a champ for 10 years, and before that even longer. He has faced fouls and dirty fights before. Also, headbutting is cheating and this seems a poor basis for picking a winner.

Because you know how racist this board will get if Hopkins lose to Calzaghe...
Racist White People used the term ****** nigg3r like it was apart of the process of their breathing....

I see that you are sensitive to racial issues, and I applaud you. Racism is not just casual abuse, the terrible history of oppression of black people by white people makes it much more sinister. I truly hope we never see racism on these boards ever.

The fact remains these issues are no basis on which to pick the outcome of a boxing match.

All in all though, I enjoyed your post, it really got me thinking.
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UPSKIRT WHITE

[Kris Silver]

Hopkins has essentially told the world that this fight is all or nothing...

That's what makes him Train alittle bit harder, run alittle longer, focus alittle better... Hopkins set a GOAL..
and tries to reach it..

Hopkins has essentially told the world that this fight is all or nothing...

I See Hopkins making calzaghe so nervous, about Hopkins tactic's in the fight Game, that the first time Hopkins Gets away with a Head-butt, I think Calzaghe will meet his moment of truth, Just like Hatton did when wasn't allowed to fight dirty the whole fight..... as soon as Hatton realize that he wasnt going to be able to do what he was used to do he broke down...

How willl Calzaghe handle it Mentally, Will he cry like Hatton, are dig deep and beat Hopkins at his own game Just like Mayweather beat Hatton at his own Game....

This is Important to take note of, because this is what I talk about when I say that Both Hopkins and Calzaghe are at points in their career in which, their bodies don't win the "majority" of the fights no more, it's their minds that does the fighting...

I have seen How Hopkins handle a fighter you couldnt Handle the pressure of a dirty fight (Winky Wirght)

I havent seen how Calzaghe will....

Mark my words Calzaghe will meet his moment of truth...

and I dont think he will pass the test...

Like I said Before

[B]"He is not in Wales, He is not at Home , He is not SAFE..!!"

Respect for having the guts to say you were originally passionately un informed, but it seems you still are a little, and your posts with respect are still ranting on without regard for some basic facts. Everytime you argue a pro/con on Hopkins, it's ironically truer on Calzaghe.

There was already more pressure on Calzaghe, he's the over dog, the visitor, the younger man, un defeated and defending that, in a new partially hostile environment, with his country hoping one brit this month wins. Hopkins has a bigger name, has accomplished enough already. He's trash talked, but to be fair Joe has also put if anything more pressure on himself further still by saying I'll retire if I lose. He does this because he's immensely confident, more motivated, trains more, and fights better against strong opponents because he's so driven to win.

Both have prooved strong minds, pretty even there. If you watch just some of their fights you'll see this. You seem to know Bernards strong minded so on Joe; He's prooved many times in his career his mentally strong and determined.

He's gone through injuries, and fought with them getting over illnesses aswell (Reid fight), overcoming grilling 12 rounders showing he battles on determined, from young beating Eubank, to old beating a lethal Kessler. He handled dirty tactics, headbutts off Bika. He has fought outside of Wales inc Germany and others aswell, nothing phases this athlete. He says as much rightly so, in his interviews, he has a personality and style that adapts and wont be phased.

Also, using the not comparable Hatton is further flawed when you suggest Hatton got scared, cried, realising he couldn't win. That's just blatantly not true, Mayweather himself said Hatton has the heart of a lion, a great attitude, confidence, and Hatton's main flaw was constantly looking for a big punch, gunning fearlessly for Mayweather.

Hopkins body has aged, is slower, whilst Joes hasn't yet at least anywhere near as much. So they're bodies are massive factors, if anything more so than mentality which they've already prooved.