Reality thread here "Bhop vs Calzaghe" No delusional post!!!

[ßringer]

The judges favor whoever there paid to favor.

This is true too but it's no secret the boxing establishment hates Bernard Hopkins for being himself. I wouldn't be surprised to see him robbed in the least.

[Kendo]

Tito was too small, though. Look at him! A fighter who's pretty much useless over 154. No way was he ever gonna beat Hopkins.

You really think Calzaghe is gonna come out swinging like a moron? He won't, I guarantee it. He will choose his shots more carefully, box with precision and great movement.

but than he is playing hopkins game. i know tito was to small but everyone had him owning hops. KOing him and such. calz is going to come out like he always does i mean i know that he isnt going to be throwing ****** punches but if he decides to try and outbox hops and sit out there and choose his punches thats where he is going to play right into the hands of hops. he is prolly the greatest counter puncher and defensive fighter of our time. i just think the only way calz can win this fight is to come out and throw his 1,000 punches a round and either try and catch hops with a good shot or just out work him. its going to be a good fight. im still going with hops very close UD or SD MD.

[Mozza]

This is true too but it's no secret the boxing establishment hates Bernard Hopkins for being himself. I wouldn't be surprised to see him robbed in the least.

The boxing establishment?

[Dionyseus]

Kessler averaged 50 punches a round against Calzaghe and only managed to win two or three rounds. How is Hopkins, who averages less than 30 a round (and this only against other slow fighters), and isn't a KO artist, going to beat Calzaghe? The way I see it the only way Hopkins would win is with a liver punch like the one that knocked out DLH. I give Hopkins a 6% chance of winning the fight with a liver punch, and a 0.001% chance of winning a decision.

I've heard a few people saying that Hopkin's counter-punching style is going to give Calzaghe problems. Obviously these people haven't seen his fight with Kessler. Kessler tried to counter him, and it worked for about 2 seconds. Most of Hopkin's opponents throw two-punch combinations, this is easy for him to counter. Has Hopkin's ever faced someone who throws six-punch combinations from many different angles? No. How can you counter a six punch combo? You can't, you can only try to outpunch him. Good luck outworking a guy who averages 100 punches a round.

[comanick]

[QUOTE=Dionyseus;3364020]Kessler averaged 50 punches a round against Calzaghe and only managed to win two or three rounds. How is Hopkins, who averages less than 30 a round (and this only against other slow fighters), and isn't a KO artist, going to beat Calzaghe? The way I see it the only way Hopkins would win is with a liver punch like the one that knocked out DLH. I give Hopkins a 6% chance of winning the fight with a liver punch, and a 0.001% chance of winning a decision.

I've heard a few people saying that Hopkin's counter-punching style is going to give Calzaghe problems. Obviously these people haven't seen his fight with Kessler. Kessler tried to counter him, and it worked for about 2 seconds. Most of Hopkin's opponents throw two-punch combinations, this is easy for him to counter. Has Hopkin's ever faced someone who throws six-punch combinations from many different angles? No. How can you counter a six punch combo? You can't, you can only try to outpunch him. Good luck outworking a guy who averages 100 punches a round.[/QUOTE]

Ok now have you ever seen anyone land 6 punches in a row on hopkins. A prime roy jones couldnt do that but now joe is? Please. Hopkins moves to much for that. IMO i think he'll move too much to let joe set up to do that. But honestly thats what i want joe to try and do cause by doin that he gives hops a better chance of winning. If joe was smart he would make this as boring as possible by staying outside and throwing alot of jabs from a distance. He should basically try to make hop come to him. Bernard is 43. he doesnt wanna chase people around the ring anymore. But joe wont do that. Lookin at his past fights and hearing the way hes talkin he gonna try to fight.
Trust me if joe jumps in and squares up like that on hop all hop has got to do is slide to the left and throw the right hand. Joe will be right there and he'll get popped.

[Dionyseus]

[QUOTE=comanick;3364383]

Kessler averaged 50 punches a round against Calzaghe and only managed to win two or three rounds. How is Hopkins, who averages less than 30 a round (and this only against other slow fighters), and isn't a KO artist, going to beat Calzaghe? The way I see it the only way Hopkins would win is with a liver punch like the one that knocked out DLH. I give Hopkins a 6% chance of winning the fight with a liver punch, and a 0.001% chance of winning a decision.

I've heard a few people saying that Hopkin's counter-punching style is going to give Calzaghe problems. Obviously these people haven't seen his fight with Kessler. Kessler tried to counter him, and it worked for about 2 seconds. Most of Hopkin's opponents throw two-punch combinations, this is easy for him to counter. Has Hopkin's ever faced someone who throws six-punch combinations from many different angles? No. How can you counter a six punch combo? You can't, you can only try to outpunch him. Good luck outworking a guy who averages 100 punches a round.[/QUOTE]

Ok now have you ever seen anyone land 6 punches in a row on hopkins. A prime roy jones couldnt do that but now joe is? Please. Hopkins moves to much for that. IMO i think he'll move too much to let joe set up to do that. But honestly thats what i want joe to try and do cause by doin that he gives hops a better chance of winning. If joe was smart he would make this as boring as possible by staying outside and throwing alot of jabs from a distance. He should basically try to make hop come to him. Bernard is 43. he doesnt wanna chase people around the ring anymore. But joe wont do that. Lookin at his past fights and hearing the way hes talkin he gonna try to fight.
Trust me if joe jumps in and squares up like that on hop all hop has got to do is slide to the left and throw the right hand. Joe will be right there and he'll get popped.

I never cared much for RJJ but I don't think either fighter were in their prime for that fight, it was actually a very boring fight as both of them were very cautious. I doubt anything higher than a two-punch combination was attempted by RJJ that night.

This Saturday you might just get to see someone hit Hopkins with 6 punches in a row.

[Jim Jeffries]

Ok now have you ever seen anyone land 6 punches in a row on hopkins. A prime roy jones couldnt do that but now joe is? Please. Hopkins moves to much for that. IMO i think he'll move too much to let joe set up to do that. But honestly thats what i want joe to try and do cause by doin that he gives hops a better chance of winning. If joe was smart he would make this as boring as possible by staying outside and throwing alot of jabs from a distance. He should basically try to make hop come to him. Bernard is 43. he doesnt wanna chase people around the ring anymore. But joe wont do that. Lookin at his past fights and hearing the way hes talkin he gonna try to fight.
Trust me if joe jumps in and squares up like that on hop all hop has got to do is slide to the left and throw the right hand. Joe will be right there and he'll get popped.

First of all, Roy wasn't prime, and secondly, don't you think Hopkins has slowed down a bit in the FIFTEEN YEARS since then?

[FRKO]

Ok now have you ever seen anyone land 6 punches in a row on hopkins. A prime roy jones couldnt do that but now joe is? Please. Hopkins moves to much for that. IMO i think he'll move too much to let joe set up to do that. But honestly thats what i want joe to try and do cause by doin that he gives hops a better chance of winning. If joe was smart he would make this as boring as possible by staying outside and throwing alot of jabs from a distance. He should basically try to make hop come to him. Bernard is 43. he doesnt wanna chase people around the ring anymore. But joe wont do that. Lookin at his past fights and hearing the way hes talkin he gonna try to fight.
Trust me if joe jumps in and squares up like that on hop all hop has got to do is slide to the left and throw the right hand. Joe will be right there and he'll get popped.

Joe will adjust. Simple. If something ain't working, try a different approach until something does work.

[RisAri0]

First of all, Roy wasn't prime, and secondly, don't you think Hopkins has slowed down a bit in the FIFTEEN YEARS since then?

his abilities yes, but the boxing wisdom he gains is what makes him a winner. He defines his own physics in that ring to make up for his loss of abilities..

[comanick]

First of all, Roy wasn't prime, and secondly, don't you think Hopkins has slowed down a bit in the FIFTEEN YEARS since then?

Well first off im glad u admit that neither was prime. I get tired of people graspin at straws to discredit hop. Ive said many times ive never seen roy looked more ordinary until he fought tarver the first time. But back to the topic. Has anyone in the past 5 years, no scratch that. Has anyone in the last 2 years been able to hit hopkins with 6 punches in a row. Give credit where its do. Hop is a great defensive fighter and truth be told people kep throwin out joes workrate and 1000 punches but no one talks about his accuracy. Joe is a sloppy puncher. Look at any highlight reel they show for this fight. they always show joe throwing combinatons but do u ever look at how many land. Not many. And the ones that he does land only 1/4 look like they got steam on them. Yeah he throws alot but i dont think that this fight will come to that. u forget hopkins isnt some some young guy like lacy or kessler who will get overwhelmed by the situation. He wont just back into the ropes and let joe do that.