Hector Camacho Jr. Headlines on April 12

[machotime]

Impressive bloodlines, heres some karma.

thanks man, honestly if Jr had made a sincere effort and learned from his Dad's mistakes, he would have been a huge force at JWW and WW. He has the speed, ringsmarts and elusiveness of his dad, with more power.

[Mr. Ryan]

thanks man, honestly if Jr had made a sincere effort and learned from his Dad's mistakes, he would have been a huge force at JWW and WW. He has the speed, ringsmarts and elusiveness of his dad, with more power.

Jr idolizes his father, so instead of learning from his mistakes, he is emulating them. Camacho Sr. had the mentality of a fighter, atleast early on. I never got the inclination that Camacho Jr was like his father in that respect, a natural born fighter.

[machotime]

Jr idolizes his father, so instead of learning from his mistakes, he is emulating them. Camacho Sr. had the mentality of a fighter, atleast early on. I never got the inclination that Camacho Jr was like his father in that respect, a natural born fighter.

There is no denying that Sr changed after fighting Rosario.

Jr just never seemed to make boxing a priority. My perception is that Jr figured boxing is something that he happened to be good at and was expected to do, not necessarily that he had a huge desire or personal aspiration to fulfill. Im sure if you have seen some of Jr's early fights and there's no denying that he did show flashes of incredible and remarkable potential. Honestly I think that he knows this, though he probaly would never admit it. As far as individualistic characteristics, you are right, Jr was not much like the early Macho Sr, but instead had a style that favored Sr's master-boxer style. He didnt seem interested in getting into a fight, and when things became competitive, his desire or lack there of was pretty evident.

[el malo]

wow hes alive? i havent heard about him in a long time

[edgarg]

Any body seen him fight? is he any good?

He's one of the craftiest fighters you'll ever see. He doesn't like to take punishment to much, and you can see him adjusting to his opponent all the time, a little here, a little there, and then....usually....BINGO. He's wasted his enormous talents by not committing himself properly, now he's a super-middle and it's got so that if things look a little tough, he stalls, looking for an exit, rather than how to win. He's still one of the best boxing talents around. a natural light welterweight at the most. A southpaw.

His father was able to come into the ring vastly overweight, and fight just about anyone. Long after his prime, and fighing at 30 lbs above his natural weight, he could just do exactly enough to eke out a win, and the other guy wouldn't really know what he was doing wrong. He had his last fight only a couple of years ago, aged probably at least 45-46. But I remember him when he came on the scene at first. HE WAS DAZZLING. no other word for it.

[edgarg]

He's one of the craftiest fighters you'll ever see. He doesn't like to take punishment to much, and you can see him adjusting to his opponent all the time, a little here, a little there, and then....usually....BINGO. He's wasted his enormous talents by not committing himself properly, now he's a super-middle and it's got so that if things look a little tough, he stalls, looking for an exit, rather than how to win. He's still one of the best boxing talents around. a natural light welterweight at the most. A southpaw.

His father was able to come into the ring vastly overweight, and fight just about anyone. Long after his prime, and fighing at 30 lbs above his natural weight, he could just do exactly enough to eke out a win, and the other guy wouldn't really know what he was doing wrong. He had his last fight only a couple of years ago, aged probably at least 45-46. But I remember him when he came on the scene at first. HE WAS DAZZLING. no other word for it.

One other thing I'd like to say about Hector Senior. I saw Roberto Duran's last fight. it was with Camacho, who had also beaten Duran a few years before. Duran was 50 years old, and didn't perform anything like Roberto Duran. He tried hard but it just wasn't there. it went the full 12 rounds.

After the fight, Camacho was being questioned by reporters. He was asked didn't he think that Duran should retire and was he surprised that Duran didn't make it a tougher fight. So Camacho said......"Aw come on now.......just think, the guys 50 years old and he was a great fighter. I hope that I can fight like that when I'm anywhere like age....."

So I liked that. He was a sportsman.

[edgarg]

There is no denying that Sr changed after fighting Rosario.

Jr just never seemed to make boxing a priority. My perception is that Jr figured boxing is something that he happened to be good at and was expected to do, not necessarily that he had a huge desire or personal aspiration to fulfill. Im sure if you have seen some of Jr's early fights and there's no denying that he did show flashes of incredible and remarkable potential. Honestly I think that he knows this, though he probaly would never admit it. As far as individualistic characteristics, you are right, Jr was not much like the early Macho Sr, but instead had a style that favored Sr's master-boxer style. He didnt seem interested in getting into a fight, and when things became competitive, his desire or lack there of was pretty evident.

You make a very good analysis. I believe that his ego was shattered by the fight against Omar Weiss, when he came into the ring grossly overweight and undertrained, and the lighter Weiss was in his face all night. this was his first loss in about 35 or more fights, and I don't believe he ever recovered from it. He was too clever to allow Weiss to actually hurt him, but he let him get too far ahead, and then flagged.

His next fight against Jesse James L. where he was thumbed in the eye (or at least he said he was) was a sort of repeat, and he looked for, and got, an "out". Jesse came after him all the way, and young Macho was very overweight and untrained. If you recall there was much "soul-searching" and giving him a "good talking-to after that fight; but it didn't stick. A great shame and a great waste.

That one and only time he was stopped, a few of fights ago, was long overdue, and for once, it looked as if he was trying. The fight shouldn't have been stopped he wasn't hurt. the ref made a bad call. But he was still fighting 20 lbs or more out of his weight.

[edgarg]

You make a very good analysis. I believe that his ego was shattered by the fight against Omar Weiss, when he came into the ring grossly overweight and undertrained, and the lighter Weiss was in his face all night. this was his first loss in about 35 or more fights, and I don't believe he ever recovered from it. He was too clever to allow Weiss to actually hurt him, but he let him get too far ahead, and then flagged.

His next fight against Jesse James L. where he was thumbed in the eye (or at least he said he was) was a sort of repeat, and he looked for, and got, an "out". Jesse came after him all the way, and young Macho was very overweight and untrained. If you recall there was much "soul-searching" and giving him a "good talking-to after that fight; but it didn't stick. A great shame and a great waste.

That one and only time he was stopped, a few of fights ago, was long overdue, and for once, it looked as if he was trying. The fight shouldn't have been stopped he wasn't hurt. the ref made a bad call. But he was still fighting 20 lbs or more out of his weight.

I should "look before I leap". I just checked with Boxrec and see that he fought Leija first, so he went into the Weiss fight-and his first loss in about 40fights- in a chastened mood, already conditioned for defeat.

Sorry, I slip up sometimes, mainly because I like to test my memory. It's more fun this way,and keeps me "awake".