Apologies...The Problem With Criticising Floyd

[abadger]

Speaking of long threads and Floyd Mayweather. Peep this satirical tale that I wrote and tell me what you think

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=171855

Ha! Thats pretty funny man. Horrifyingly though, I could actually see it happening (well nearly).

Thought you did a good job of showing up the fickle nature of boxing, where one loss or a surprising result suddenly turns the world on its head and all that was "plain and basic common sense" before goes right out of the window.

Nice job.
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[NAPO]

Thankyou. I respect your opinion too. I'd be interested to know what your opinion on Floyd vs Migel is.

we all know floyd is a terrific boxers who has a natural talent great defensive fighter.


im not going to lie as u can see im a cotto fan which i as a fan and as analyzing cotto skills he has a chance against mayweather.


cotto has A GREAT LEFT JAB strong one too that would give cotto great opportunities at reaching and hurting mayweather.

cotto knows to cut the ring pretty damn good too and has underrated hand speed and movement.cotto has shown those skills in the mosley and abdevulla fight.

this fight could be a great fight and for me cotto has a chance to win as mayweather we only have to wait when this fight happens.


MAYWEAHTER HAS LOST MY RESPECT SINCE 06 HE WILL LOSE MORE PEOPLE BY THE END OF 08 IF HE DOESN'T FIGHT COTTO AND REMATCH BOTH HATTON AND OSCAR.

[Vladimir303]

Ha! Thats pretty funny man. Horrifyingly though, I could actually see it happening (well nearly).

Thought you did a good job of showing up the fickle nature of boxing, where one loss or a surprising result suddenly turns the world on its head and all that was "plain and basic common sense" before goes right out of the window.

Nice job.

Thanks....keep the threads comin'.

[abadger]

we all know floyd is a terrific boxers who has a natural talent great defensive fighter.


im not going to lie as u can see im a cotto fan which i as a fan and as analyzing cotto skills he has a chance against mayweather.


cotto has A GREAT LEFT JAB strong one too that would give cotto great opportunities at reaching and hurting mayweather.

cotto knows to cut the ring pretty damn good too and has underrated hand speed and movement.cotto has shown those skills in the mosley and abdevulla fight.

this fight could be a great fight and for me cotto has a chance to win as mayweather we only have to wait when this fight happens.


MAYWEAHTER HAS LOST MY RESPECT SINCE 06 HE WILL LOSE MORE PEOPLE BY THE END OF 08 IF HE DOESN'T FIGHT COTTO AND REMATCH BOTH HATTON AND OSCAR.

OK. I already posted how I see Cotto/Floyd going so I won't bore you by repeating it. I haven't seen the Abdevulla fight, but I have to say I didn't see anything in Cotto/ Mosley to make me think Cotto can beat Floyd. I do think Cotto looked good in that fight, and i definitely make him the #1 welterweight challenger to Floyd, but if I'm honest I think it always goes the same way with Floyd: a good fighter comes along who looks a cut above his immediate competition, we start to think he can beat Floyd and we talk up various characteristics of his game. Then he gets in the ring with Mayweather and it all counts for nothing. Mayweather is too fast, too slick and that jab of his just does its work, and we see we were wrong all along. The fighter might outwork Mayweather, may be the agressor, but he lands virtually nothing while Floyd lands a huge percentage of what he throws.

I would love to see Cotto/ Mayweather indeed, even more so if it is a competitive fight, but ultimately I think its the same old story.

By the way, I should know, I really thought Hatton had the beating of Floyd and picked it on this site. Maybe I'm just terrified of being wrong again!

Lets hope the fight happens though, eh?
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[Horus]

i just wanted to bump this thread agian...

[Vladimir303]

i just wanted to bump this thread agian...

Don't you just wish you could write as good as he does?

[2501]

too bad the world thinks differently.

[Horus]

Don't you just wish you could write as good as he does?

You have been sneak Dissing me alot... and i have been letting it ride...
But Let's Put you in perspective when it comes to me...

Horus vs. Vladimir

I think Vladimir thinks he is a superior poster than me because he has fewer Haters than me, and that is mainly because I am more Notorious Prominent, than Vladimir but with a better reputation.

FACTS

These are the Facts That Stand between How times People have viewed WHAT I HAVE TO SAY (My Threads) compared to How times People have viewed WHAT Vladimir HAVE TO SAY (Vladimir Threads).

To put this into perspective if this was boxing these numbers would
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Vladimir303

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= 5% of Vladimir Threads reach 1000 views

1 out of every 15 of Vladimir Threads have reach 1000 Views
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Horus

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= 24 % of Horus Threads reach 1000 views

3 out of Every 12 Horus Threads have reach 1000 Views
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Reality Check For Vladimir

You Must realize this ,almost everything I say has either a fact or a source behind it this is nothing different these are FACTS...


Vladimir303 Have posted with this Name (Vladimir303) Since May 2007 with 2411 Post

Horus Have posted with This Name (Horus) Since December 2007 with 1183 Post

the difference of 1228 Post



The Facts clearly show Who the people Pay attention too when Either me or him post a thread...

I am Clearly a bigger draw than Vladimir when it comes to Posters Viewing Horus or Vladimir Threads.
and my numbers are double his with Half of the Post
( 2 x 1)

So Vladimir The real question is with the facts and the Numbers showing who is the better poster..

What Facts do you bring to the Table when you even suggest and speak as that you are a better poster than Myself…besides the vote of the . Legions of my Haters.

Reality Check You are not on my Level…. Step Your Thread and Post Game Up… Before you think about commenting on Me..

[HitBattousai]

The same, broadly speaking, is true of Hatton, who IMO was an even more credible contender than De La Hoya. I know a lot of US fans don't like him, but he was at the time an undefeated junior welterweight (an ideal weight for Floyd) monster, who had beaten the man in Tsyzu and come up to welter and successfully taken titles. Based on past Floyd fights like Castillo 1, he also appeared to have the style, that if any could, might trouble Floyd. Again, Floyd faced him and beat him easily. Question answered again.

I do not believe that there were another two fighters out there than the gifted, bigger veteran that De La Hoya was and the up and coming unbeatable Hatton, that Floyd could have more credibly faced. In one way, Floyd beat the past, and he beat the future.

Now to the present, Miguel Cotto. I agree Floyd should fight him, but for those who accuse Floyd of ducking, is he really?. Do you honestly, in your heart of hearts belive that Cotto beats Floyd? I do not. IMO, Cotto, talent and style wise, falls somewhere between De La Hoya and Hatton, without actually having the particular gifts of either. He is a pressure fighter like Hatton, but his style is more like that of the aging de La Hoya, come ahead and somewhat predicatable. He doesn't quite have Hatton's speed, but nor does he have (IMO) the power of the larger De La Hoya. I think, in fact, that he is tailor made for Floyd, and we would see a very similar fight to Floyd/ De La Hoya, with Floyd, basically picking off the bigger man from range and getting a wide UD. If anyone has reasons why this is not the case, then I would love to hear it.

So to conclude, I think that basically Floyd believes that he has proved everything he needs to prove, and I think he is right. Sure, it would be nice to see Cotto v Mayweather, but the reality is we've seen it before, and we already know the result. Floyd has been around a long time and those who accuse him of ducking, and being a coward might perhaps benefit from a bit of perspective. Loathsome as he may be, he is by far the most gifted boxer in the world today and to be frank, he looks pretty close to unbeatable. If he wanted to, he could forge an even more impressive legacy, but at the end of the day, that is up to him. It would be great if he did, because we would get to see more of a remarkable talent, but I don't think we need to, because we already know he is the best.

The problem with your opinion on Hatton is that he was far from regarded as a monster or unbeatable imo. He was undefeated, and did win the weakest belt he possibly could at 147 in his one prior foray there, but that fight exposed him as being less than impressive at the weight, as he arguably lost the fight against Collazo and had to hang on for dear life at the end to survive against a guy not known for his punching power. Then Mosley blowing Collazo away later just reinforced that Hatton wasn't all he was hyped to be. Hatton got back a little of his luster when he beat Castillo in dominant fashion, but it was also obvious how far gone Castillo was. Most opinions I saw leading up to the fight thought that Hatton just didn't have the defense to beat Floyd, and his capacity to take punches at 147(even a weaker 147 guy) and impose his physicality at the weight, was in question. The Floyd fight backed all that up as Floyd is not a big 147 guy, and not regarded as a hard puncher as well, yet he was able to manhandle and KO Hatton. Most views I saw liked that fact that Floyd was fighting again instead of his supposed retirement, but didn't give Hatton much hope to win, and would have preferred a Mosley or Cotto match instead.

You have your opinion on Cotto, and to some extent, I agree with it, I don't think he has the one-punch power of DLH or the speed of Hatton. But what he has those two don't have, is that his focus is leading with his excellent jab(which DLH flat abandoned, I never saw Floyd counter over that jab, and Hatton doesn't have a good jab), and then follow with consistent punching to the head and body(he doesn't hold like Hatton or stop fighting for stretches like DLH). He has the ability to cut off the ring well against a fast guy as he showed with Judah, and the ability to adapt with good counter-punching, as he showed with Mosley. Most of all, Cotto has the tools imo, to force Floyd to have to fight instead of potshotting, and he is a big 147 pressure guy that throws all hard punches, if not as one-shot hard as DLH. He has demonstrated a better chin than Hatton at 147 thus far imo, though it's far from granite, so it's quite possible that Floyd would have trouble keeping him at bay.

And the way Floyd acts about Cotto, I believe he's not afraid of a physical beating from Cotto or anything, but that he is afraid that Cotto can take his "0" which in his mind I think is key. Without that zero in the loss column, Floyd can't justify even to himself, that he is the best fighter ever as he claims. So he's regarded as the P4P #1 for now, and can probably hold that status for at least a year or so. In the meantime, he can wait out Cotto, who will continue to fight regularly, and it's possible Cotto will lose, then Floyd can call him overrated when he does so and say there aren't challenges out there. If Cotto doesn't lose, there will be a lot of pressure on Floyd to fight him, but as you said, Floyd's status/fanbase is enough that he might just retire and most will still regard him as the better fighter even if Cotto cleans out the rest of 147.

[Pullcounter]

even though I also believe Floyd beats Cotto, I'd still like to see it.