How good IS Pavlik?

**Scoooter** · 03-29-2008, 06:40 PM

Kelly Pavlik > Marvin Hagler

**Verstyle** · 03-29-2008, 06:42 PM

Originally posted by Scoooter

Kelly Pavlik > Marvin Hagler

In your dreams. All Pavlik has is a right hand. Hagler was a mid-range and close range puncher, in both hands.

**Scoooter** · 03-29-2008, 06:47 PM

Originally posted by VERSATILE2K7

In your dreams. All Pavlik has is a right hand. Hagler was a mid-range and close range puncher, in both hands.

Pavlik KO6 Hagler. Then, Pavlik KO2 George Foreman...on the same night.

**D_Chosen_1** · 03-29-2008, 06:48 PM

Originally posted by Scoooter

Pavlik KO6 Hagler. Then, Pavlik KO2 George Foreman...on the same night.

Wow, I thought I've read it all. You might want to go stand outside with your helmet on and wait for that short yellow bus to arrive and pick you up.

**Scoooter** · 03-29-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by D_Chosen_1

Wow, I thought I've read it all. You might want to go stand outside with your helmet on and wait for that short yellow bus to arrive and pick you up.

Pavlik Wide-UD bus.

**D_Chosen_1** · 03-29-2008, 06:49 PM

Originally posted by OmnipotentFloyd

Heres what Im saying.
We see Andy Lee get beat down, a young guy early in his career but he was being touted as the one to beat Pavlik.
We see Duddy barely pull out a fight who was supposed to fight Pavlik
We see Abraham tonight not looking so good until the KO

Who the hell can beat Pavlik at this point? If you look around the division you get zip cause you know Pavlik will stomp them. So my question how good is Pavlik? Or is it just that no contenders out there in the division are as good at the moment?

Pavlik was given a gift decision in the Taylor rematch so YES, there are DEFINITELY fighters who can beat Pavlik. He's a one-dimensional club slugger who was exposed by Taylor,but thanks to paid off judges and Mr. Arum was given a gift.

**contempter** · 03-29-2008, 06:50 PM

I think that pavlik is definitely slowing down in terms of his hand speed. Watching some his fights prior to the miranda bout, pavlik seemed to have hand speed as a great asset. Post miranda, he seems to be a little more plodding, deliberate, and methodical. I think time will tell if this is to become a serious liability for him. But in all seriousness, how can a person rate pavlik above hagler? Hagler is an all time great at the weight class. Excuse me.....THE all time great at that weight.

**OmnipotentFloyd** · 03-29-2008, 06:52 PM

Originally posted by D_Chosen_1

Pavlik was given a gift decision in the Taylor rematch so YES, there are DEFINITELY fighters who can beat Pavlik. He's a one-dimensional club slugger who was exposed by Taylor,but thanks to paid off judges and Mr. Arum was given a gift.

Gift decision? Yeah right.

**OmnipotentFloyd** · 03-29-2008, 06:53 PM

Originally posted by contempter

I think that pavlik is definitely slowing down in terms of his hand speed. Watching some his fights prior to the miranda bout, pavlik seemed to have hand speed as a great asset. Post miranda, he seems to be a little more plodding, deliberate, and methodical. I think time will tell if this is to become a serious liability for him. But in all seriousness, how can a person rate pavlik above hagler? Hagler is an all time great at the weight class. Excuse me.....THE all time great at that weight.

The dude who rated Pavlik above Hagler is an alt so hes not really serious just being a moron for no reason.

How good IS Pavlik?