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Horus, why do you act like Cotto has to BEAT Floyd's ppv numbers or something in order to be a big enough draw? Cotto did well against a washed up Judah, not the Judah that gave the P4P #1 in the world a run for his money. For an up and comer, Cotto did well in his first few money fights.
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wHY dO yoU fEeL tHe NeeD to TypE lIkE tHis AlL tHe TimE?I THINK IT'S TIME FOR All SIDES TO AIR OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES....
TO WHY THIS FIGHT EITHER MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW OR DOESNT MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW...
I know soMe of you guys Don’t Like reading that Much So I turn this thread into 3 parts....So pick one of the Parts and read and respond...
Here is The Quote from one Floyd Fan:
To Elaborate on this Further:
I want to say this before I start...
My Name is Horus and I am a Floyd FaN
Although I do think Cotto is a good Fighter and would beat Most People..
I just think he is overHyped.. and I think Mainly as Soon as Mayweather beats Him people will say Cotto was a bum all along and discredit another one of Floyds victories...
Thats why i think Cotto should Beat the rest of the WW champions which is going to be 2 people after Apirl12th before he fights Floyd so there can be no doubts that he was the man Floyd had to beat to Solidify His Legacy....
Because Right Now if Floyd fights Cotto and wins they are going to say well he gotta fight Margarito,Quintania,Williams,Mosely,Berto, and so on to be considered Great.. and none of those fighters are great so really if Floyd fights Cotto right now and wins he will never be truly A All time great in your eyes because he didnt have great competition to fight against unlike
Sugar Ray Lenard who had Hearns, and Hagler
Ali who had Frazior and Foreman
Julio Ceasar Chavez Who had Taylor and Hector Camacho
Floyd only Has Corralles and Castillo really as amazing Victories
but floyd needs one more to Make him An All time Top 10 Fighter..
Floyd needs Cotto to become Great So Floyd can truly be Considered Great..
Or this will Never End...
I think Floyd is great already but he can never be consider truly a legend unless he beats another Great Fighter who everybody thinks was Just as great as Floyd was at the time or close to Floyd...
So if Floyd is going to retired like he says... Why Not retired Right after beating Cotto ..and the Cotto i want him to beat is a Cotto with all the Belts except Floyds belt..
And that would be a great Fight.....
That's the Kinda Fight Where Fighters really leave everything on the line to become the Undisputed Champion of the Division...and in Floyd's Case One of the 10 greatest Fighters of All time...
That's the kinda Fight That the Cotto vs. Mayweather Fight Should BE..
Now To my Thread....
1ST PART:
I have come to the Conclusion that Cotto Fans and Floyd Haters just don’t want to hear This....
I have being Stating Facts like this for Months and all they see in Cotto is that "Cotto" is the next person who the public thinks can possible beat Floyd...but their is one problem with this
They don’t even actually think that cotto can really beat Floyd...you will get a Selective few who believe it but not a majority...
That's what Makes Fights Great when both Sides think their Guy can win...
Right Now nobody really believes Cotto can Beat Floyd
They think Cotto can give Floyd a good Match but they do not think and believe He can actually beat Floyd,
Even the most hardcore Cotto fans will say if Floyd runs and boxes Cotto. Cotto will lose... They think the only way Floyd can lose is if Cotto can cut off the ring and Pressure Floyd..
Ask yourself this question
Has Floyd ever lost a fight where somebody did that....??
The answer is "No"
2ND PART:
*But it shouldn’t be that way, they should think No matter what Cotto will win...And right Now Cotto is not at the point where people actually think cotto can win...
*In Floyds Last 2 fights With Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya you had over 4 million people buying P.P.V at $59.95
Because they believe that their guy can actually beat Floyd
*That kind of belief is not with Cotto right now, they think Cotto can give Floyd a good fight but they do not Believe Cotto can Win...
3 Elements are needed for a Great Fight
1. Both Fighters Must Have a Huge Fan Base
2. Both Fighters Fans must believe that their fighter can win
3. Casual Fans must want to see the fight because they believe that both fighters can lose
And those 3 Elements are Not there with Cotto
*That's why I 100% agree with the statement that Cotto must win very impressive in his next 2 fights to convince more people he can actually beat Mayweather.
*Because Floyd’s stock is so high right now
That people are not going to buy a fight which they think Floyd is just going win another boring fight... They want to see Floyd actually get beat...
example:
Floyd vs. Oscar 2
(i dont think it is going to sell like it did last time because everybody thinks floyd is going to win again easy...)
Same with Cotto
*And Not enough People believe Cotto can actually Beat Floyd
and the causal fans don’t even know who cotto is, so you know they don’t think he can beat Floyd...
3RD PART:
While Floyd vs. Cotto right now will be a good Fight
(i would like too see it)
It wouldn’t be as big as Hatton and De La Hoya and
it wouldnt be as Great as it could of been if Cotto would have gotten to 2 other belts
Floyd vs. Hatton Numbers:2.5 Million P.P.V Combined
Floyd vs. De La Hoya Numbers: 2.15 P.P.V Combined
Floyd is Spoiled Now, He is not fighting in anything less than Events from now on....and his last 2 fights have been Events to not just the Boxing World but for the Sport and Entertainment world...
Look how much Promoting Floyd had to do for the Hatton FIGHT....
"Dancing with the Stars"
Look what he is doing for the next De La Hoya Fight
"WrestleMania"
Now what do you think he is going to have to do for the Cotto fight if he chooses to fight him right now...
"American Idol"...???
Sorry Cotto Fans,
Floyd is not going to do anything special for the Cotto and Arum to build this fight
Floyd is expecting Cotto and Arum to do something Special to build this fight Simply because he does not like Arum ..
And that something Special is Getting those other 2 belts..!!!
Cotto is not a Draw outside of Boxing Yet so he has no choice but to get those belts to fight Floyd or become a mainstream Attraction...And Floyd knows Cotto doesnt have a personality so the only option Cotto has is to become GREAT. and get those 2 belts.!!!...
This is what I have been trying to say forever...
Cotto Stock isnt high enough to really convince Floyd and the Public that this could be a big event...
The Logic:
It's like this
Cotto need to build his name up without Floyd
Before he can even he can begin negotiations with Floyd...
It more like saying you want to bet me some money on a fight but when I ask where is the money you want to bet me, you say I will show you the money after the fight...???
And naturally I tell you no show me the money right now or no bet....
and we end up not betting because you didnt have the money.
The point is Cotto doesnt have the money to bet...
And You can’t begin negotiations unless you have something to negotiate with....!
And Cotto doesnt have enough to negotiate with...
Not more than De La Hoya
Not More than Hatton (Country vs. Country)
Not More than Pacqiao (Country vs. Country) (P4p vs. P4p)
Cotto needs to raise his Stock.... Period.!!
or
How about this, How about cotto fight Floyd for the same money he fought Mosely so floyd can make THe same money he made fighting Hatton...Since Cotto is not a marketable fighter yet outside of New York..??
that would be about around a 70-30 Split....Comment
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Cotto fans give reasons to why they want to see this fight, and why it should happen. Some Floyd fans such as Horus make excuses as to why it shouldnt happen sooner rather than later. I will never understand that.
Here we have 2 undefeated WW champions, who are both in thier prime. Floyd is considered #1 and Cotto #2. Yet some Floydboyz prefer to see Floyd rematch Oscar and Hatton, rather than take on his #1 challenger, and #1 threat to his crown.
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U doing a spin job. Every one of Floyd's fan wouldn't mind Floyd whooping on Cotto for 10 rds or so. We just not mad that it won't happen tomorrow. U keep denying the fact that Cash Rules. Let Cotto get some wins build his name up and then Floyd will destroy him and the get the gwap and the glory. It's the win win baby! U can't force the King to do anything, u can't throw rocks at the throne, but u can erase all obstacles by beating them and making yourself the only option and the best option. Cotto has to be undeniable!Cotto fans give reasons to why they want to see this fight, and why it should happen. Some Floyd fans such as Horus make excuses as to why it shouldnt happen sooner rather than later. I will never understand that.
Here we have 2 undefeated WW champions, who are both in thier prime. Floyd is considered #1 and Cotto #2. Yet some Floydboyz prefer to see Floyd rematch Oscar and Hatton, rather than take on his #1 challenger, and #1 threat to his crown.Comment
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[QUOTE=Horus;3250742]I THINK IT'S TIME FOR All SIDES TO AIR OUT THEIR DIFFERENCES....
TO WHY THIS FIGHT EITHER MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW OR DOESNT MAKE SENSE RIGHT NOW...
I know soMe of you guys Don’t Like reading that Much So I turn this thread into 3 parts....So pick one of the Parts and read and respond...
Here is The Quote from one Floyd Fan:
To Elaborate on this Further:
I want to say this before I start...
My Name is Horus and I am a Floyd FaN
Although I do think Cotto is a good Fighter and would beat Most People..
I just think he is overHyped.. and I think Mainly as Soon as Mayweather beats Him people will say Cotto was a bum all along and discredit another one of Floyds victories...
Thats why i think Cotto should Beat the rest of the WW champions which is going to be 2 people after Apirl12th before he fights Floyd so there can be no doubts that he was the man Floyd had to beat to Solidify His Legacy....
Because Right Now if Floyd fights Cotto and wins they are going to say well he gotta fight Margarito,Quintania,Williams,Mosely,Berto, and so on to be considered Great.. and none of those fighters are great so really if Floyd fights Cotto right now and wins he will never be truly A All time great in your eyes because he didnt have great competition to fight against unlike
Sugar Ray Lenard who had Hearns, and Hagler
Ali who had Frazior and Foreman
Julio Ceasar Chavez Who had Taylor and Hector Camacho
Floyd only Has Corralles and Castillo really as amazing Victories
but floyd needs one more to Make him An All time Top 10 Fighter..
Floyd needs Cotto to become Great So Floyd can truly be Considered Great..
Or this will Never End...
I think Floyd is great already but he can never be consider truly a legend unless he beats another Great Fighter who everybody thinks was Just as great as Floyd was at the time or close to Floyd...
So if Floyd is going to retired like he says... Why Not retired Right after beating Cotto ..and the Cotto i want him to beat is a Cotto with all the Belts except Floyds belt..
And that would be a great Fight.....
That's the Kinda Fight Where Fighters really leave everything on the line to become the Undisputed Champion of the Division...and in Floyd's Case One of the 10 greatest Fighters of All time...
That's the kinda Fight That the Cotto vs. Mayweather Fight Should BE..
Now To my Thread....
1ST PART:
I have come to the Conclusion that Cotto Fans and Floyd Haters just don’t want to hear This....
I have being Stating Facts like this for Months and all they see in Cotto is that "Cotto" is the next person who the public thinks can possible beat Floyd...but their is one problem with this
They don’t even actually think that cotto can really beat Floyd...you will get a Selective few who believe it but not a majority...
That's what Makes Fights Great when both Sides think their Guy can win...
Right Now nobody really believes Cotto can Beat Floyd
They think Cotto can give Floyd a good Match but they do not think and believe He can actually beat Floyd,
Even the most hardcore Cotto fans will say if Floyd runs and boxes Cotto. Cotto will lose... They think the only way Floyd can lose is if Cotto can cut off the ring and Pressure Floyd..
Ask yourself this question
Has Floyd ever lost a fight where somebody did that....??
The answer is "No"
2ND PART:
*But it shouldn’t be that way, they should think No matter what Cotto will win...And right Now Cotto is not at the point where people actually think cotto can win...
*In Floyds Last 2 fights With Ricky Hatton and Oscar De La Hoya you had over 4 million people buying P.P.V at $59.95
Because they believe that their guy can actually beat Floyd
*That kind of belief is not with Cotto right now, they think Cotto can give Floyd a good fight but they do not Believe Cotto can Win...
3 Elements are needed for a Great Fight
1. Both Fighters Must Have a Huge Fan Base
2. Both Fighters Fans must believe that their fighter can win
3. Casual Fans must want to see the fight because they believe that both fighters can lose
And those 3 Elements are Not there with Cotto
*That's why I 100% agree with the statement that Cotto must win very impressive in his next 2 fights to convince more people he can actually beat Mayweather.
*Because Floyd’s stock is so high right now
That people are not going to buy a fight which they think Floyd is just going win another boring fight... They want to see Floyd actually get beat...
example:
Floyd vs. Oscar 2
(i dont think it is going to sell like it did last time because everybody thinks floyd is going to win again easy...)
Same with Cotto
*And Not enough People believe Cotto can actually Beat Floyd
and the causal fans don’t even know who cotto is, so you know they don’t think he can beat Floyd...
3RD PART:
While Floyd vs. Cotto right now will be a good Fight
(i would like too see it)
It wouldn’t be as big as Hatton and De La Hoya and
it wouldnt be as Great as it could of been if Cotto would have gotten to 2 other belts
Floyd vs. Hatton Numbers:2.5 Million P.P.V Combined
Floyd vs. De La Hoya Numbers: 2.15 P.P.V Combined
Floyd is Spoiled Now, He is not fighting in anything less than Events from now on....and his last 2 fights have been Events to not just the Boxing World but for the Sport and Entertainment world...
Look how much Promoting Floyd had to do for the Hatton FIGHT....
"Dancing with the Stars"
Look what he is doing for the next De La Hoya Fight
"WrestleMania"
Now what do you think he is going to have to do for the Cotto fight if he chooses to fight him right now...
"American Idol"...???
Sorry Cotto Fans,
Floyd is not going to do anything special for the Cotto and Arum to build this fight
Floyd is expecting Cotto and Arum to do something Special to build this fight Simply because he does not like Arum ..
And that something Special is Getting those other 2 belts..!!!
Cotto is not a Draw outside of Boxing Yet so he has no choice but to get those belts to fight Floyd or become a mainstream Attraction...And Floyd knows Cotto doesnt have a personality so the only option Cotto has is to become GREAT. and get those 2 belts.!!!...
This is what I have been trying to say forever...
Cotto Stock isnt high enough to really convince Floyd and the Public that this could be a big event...
The Logic:
It's like this
Cotto need to build his name up without Floyd
Before he can even he can begin negotiations with Floyd...
It more like saying you want to bet me some money on a fight but when I ask where is the money you want to bet me, you say I will show you the money after the fight...???
And naturally I tell you no show me the money right now or no bet....
and we end up not betting because you didnt have the money.
The point is Cotto doesnt have the money to bet...
And You can’t begin negotiations unless you have something to negotiate with....!
And Cotto doesnt have enough to negotiate with...
Not more than De La Hoya
Not More than Hatton (Country vs. Country)
Not More than Pacqiao (Country vs. Country) (P4p vs. P4p)
Cotto needs to raise his Stock.... Period.!!
or
How about this, How about cotto fight Floyd for the same money he fought Mosely so floyd can make THe same money he made fighting Hatton...Since Cotto is not a marketable fighter yet outside of New York..??
that would be about around a 70-30 Split....[/QUOTE
.......You said a mouthfull , nonetheless, you're points are valid..... And if the AVID BOXING FANS don't understand this scenario then they are not TRUE FANS of the fight game.
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Your hillarious! The only reason Forbes v. De La Hoya isn't a championship fight is because there is no belt to put on the line.. fail again.. sorry kid your just not good at this."I guess DLH vs. Forbes isn't a tune up.."
This fight is a Tune up because it is not for No CHAMPIONSHIP BELT..
"would 2-3 mil tune in to watch Mayweather fight Gomez.. no!"
I never Claim Mayweather had 2-3 Million Supporters
You did...
You claim Cotto had 2-3 millions Supporters
But I know Floyd vs. Gomez w/ Margarito vs. Cintron on the underCard
would be on P.P.V
"Anyway.. you know you are protecting cowardness when you have to bring money and viewership into an argument.."
How when the argument is over how big his fan base really is..?Comment
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Look at it.. by the time Cotto is the age Mayweather had his first PPV he will have bigger numbers.. Mayweather is 6 years ahead of him and never had a PPV @ Cotto's age.. Just think how much PPV numbers he will do when he does turn that same age Mayweather did his first. This means he has accomplished better recognition in less time then Mayweather did.. fail again.Comment
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If the AVID BOXING FANS don't understand this scenario then they are not TRUE FANS of the fight gameComment
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