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I really don't think so...
He lost all of his big fights pretty much, except for Oscar I. He got a decision that is highly questionable in their rematch. After that he was able to beat a washed up Fernando Vargas twice. But seriously, he dropped a pair to Forrest, dropped a pair to Wright, and lost to Cotto. The real kicker in all of that is the first match with both Forrest and Wright was pretty one-sided. The Sugars of old didn't really get blown out by anyone.
He deserves it more than Sugar Ray Seales though.
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The Sugars of old were never out sized to the extent that Mosley was.I really don't think so...
He lost all of his big fights pretty much, except for Oscar I. He got a decision that is highly questionable in their rematch. After that he was able to beat a washed up Fernando Vargas twice. But seriously, he dropped a pair to Forrest, dropped a pair to Wright, and lost to Cotto. The real kicker in all of that is the first match with both Forrest and Wright was pretty one-sided. The Sugars of old didn't really get blown out by anyone.
He deserves it more than Sugar Ray Seales though.
He has only lost at 147 and 154 to HUGE fighters in Vernon Forrest and Winky Wright.
The 5'9 (more realistically 5'8) Mosley had a 4 inch hight disadvantage to Forrest, and a 3'1/2 inch disadvantage to Wright.
Ray Leonard only had a 2 inch disadvantage to Hearns, and a height advantage over Hagler.
Criticizing a VERY small fighter campaigning at WW for losing to two incredibly talented fighters that were MUCH bigger than him is borderline ignorant.
That would be like criticizing Ricardo Lopez if he got knocked out by Juan Manuel Marquez.
The fact is, not only did Shane Mosley move up in weight beyond where he was a viable fighter, he did it against that ABSOLUTE BEST opposition there was.
Not to mention at his best weight, he was nearly invincible. He had the fastest hands this side of Meldrick Taylor, and he had gobs and gobs of power.
He threw combinations with ungodly fluidity, and precision and knocked people OUT.
How anyone can criticize or demean the man is beyond me. SUGAR Shane Mosley is the type of fighter every fighter should aspire to be.Comment
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So you are prepared to give Mosley a free pass for throwing his career away by fighting at the higher weights? That seems kind of crazy to me.
What if someone has a great career, and then they decide to move up 3 weight classes? Are they on a freeroll for the rest of their career? They get enormous amounts of credit for beating anyone they fight up there, and a nothing more then a neutral mark on his resume for losing? Fighters should be held accountable for the decisions they make regarding what weight they fight at.Comment
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Ray Robinson gets a free pass for failing to claim the Light Heavyweight crown?
Pernell Whitaker gets a pass for getting beat down by Felix Trinidad.
Roberto Duran gets a pass for losing to Tommy Hearns
Roberto Duran gets a pass for losing to Marvin Hagler
Roberto Duran gets a pass for losing to Wilfred Benitez
Roberto Duran even gets a pass for losing to ****ing Kirkland Laing
Why? Because he was the small superstar moving up in weight to accomplish the impossible.
I mean its not like Vernon Forrest fought his fight before Mosley above the 147lb Welterweight limit or anything. Wait, yes he did.
Shame on Shane Mosley. That terrible 135lb fighter, how dare he lose to an INCREDIBLE natural 160lb fighter fighter in Winky Wright and an amazing natural 154lb (He might even be a natural 160lb) fighter after moving up in weight to fight the best! We should punish him, don't you think Dweins?
Get real, Mosley lost once after moving up 3 weights two a Forrest who was 4-5 divisions larger than Shane, and once after moving up 4 weights to Winky Wright who was 5-6 divisions larger than himComment
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Ah but everyone know Ray Robinson passed out in that fight, everyone who has seen it at least. Duran moved up from lightweight and had success at middleweight and held Hagler to a close decision. That is amazing. Mosely is a great 135lb fighter. That Whitaker fight was the only fight Whitaker lost convincingly.
He just wasn't as successfull moving up in weight as the other sugars wereComment
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Passing out is the same as getting knocked out cold. He could not continue the fight. It doesn't matter if it was because he got knocked out cold or because he expended to much energy and overheated.
And that goes back to my original point. You cannot fault Shane Mosley for not having the frame to succeed at the higher weights.Comment
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Shane most def deserves the nameComment
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Here's the difference... All those fights have legitimate excuses other than the weight difference issue.
Robinson was up on all the scorecards before he collapsed due to the heat.
Pernell Whitaker's nose was white as **** and was clearly out of his prime.
Duran had moved up 25 pounds before he really started to lose. Mosley only moved up half that and then started getting beat.
But, are you really making the argument that Mosley is on par with Robinson and Leonard? Because that is the argument that I made in the first post I made in this thread. I didn't try to say that Mosley sucks, but that is what you are making my posts out to say.Comment
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he doesn't deserve any p4p status obviously, but if nothing else he deserves the nickname because he's tough, skilled, and relatively fearlessComment
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