can people stop guessin about hayes power at heavy?

[The Critic]

well hes got 4 belts in cruiserwieght and now is moving up jus like evander holyfield did so he deserves all the attention for being a undisputed champ.

Sure he deserves attention for dominating a division. But this is a huge jump. And the Evander Holyfield reference is unnecessary. It's like if I wanted to compare Wlad to Ali.

His stock is high; he earned it, but he's so flawed in essential ways that you have to understand why many people don't think he's a real threat at HW.

I don't think he will ever be able to beat:

Klit
Chagaev
Valuev
Peter
Virchis


There are plenty he could beat, however.

Ibragimov would be a good match, he'd have a good chance against Povetkin

[sterling]

Sure he deserves attention for dominating a division. But this is a huge jump. And the Evander Holyfield reference is unnecessary. It's like if I wanted to compare Wlad to Ali.

His stock is high; he earned it, but he's so flawed in essential ways that you have to understand why many people don't think he's a real threat at HW.

I don't think he will ever be able to beat:

Klit
Chagaev
Valuev
Peter
Virchis


There are plenty he could beat, however.

Ibragimov would be a good match, he'd have a good chance against Povetkin

u shud never compare ali to holyfield its nowhere near that comparison because haye cud of beat a prime evander because of how big he is compared to haye.

[TheGreatA]

u shud never compare ali to holyfield its nowhere near that comparison because haye cud of beat a prime evander because of how big he is compared to haye.

Oookay...

Holyfield is 6'2, Haye is 6'3.

Holyfield weighed 205-215 in his prime at HW, Haye at HW would weigh 215-225.

Holyfield fought super heavyweights like Lewis and Rid**** Bowe (both 6'5, 240 lbs) and did well against them.
Dokes, Thomas, Holmes, Foreman and Douglas were all bigger than Haye as well.


I've heard some people in this site incorrectly say that Haye used to be a heavyweight as an amateur but went back down to the cruiserweight division in the pro's.
Yes Haye was an amateur heavyweight but the amateur heavyweight limit is 200 lbs, same as the cruiserweight limit in pro's. Haye actually weighed 188 lbs when he fought Odlanier Solis.

[sterling]

Oookay...

Holyfield is 6'2, Haye is 6'3.

Holyfield weighed 205-215 in his prime at HW, Haye at HW would weigh 215-225.

Holyfield fought super heavyweights like Lewis and Rid**** Bowe (both 6'5, 240 lbs) and did well against them.
Dokes, Thomas, Holmes, Foreman and Douglas were all bigger than Haye as well.


I've heard some people in this site incorrectly say that Haye used to be a heavyweight as an amateur but went back down to the cruiserweight division in the pro's.
Yes Haye was an amateur heavyweight but the amateur heavyweight limit is 200 lbs, same as the cruiserweight limit in pro's. Haye actually weighed 188 lbs when he fought Odlanier Solis.

ahah u actually believe that? he was the same hieght as mike tyson rofl he was never 6ft2 and u cant say how much he will wiegh it jus matters how he carries his wieght anyways
Also he lost to the super heavywieghts lol and douglas was a bum and foreman was old and fat.
haye has fought at heavy as a pro early in his career

[Silencers]

ahah u actually believe that? he was the same hieght as mike tyson rofl he was never 6ft2 and u cant say how much he will wiegh it jus matters how he carries his wieght anyways
Also he lost to the super heavywieghts lol and douglas was a bum and foreman was old and fat.

Tyson is 5'10. He beat Rid**** Bowe who is 6'5, Dokes who is 6'3, was competitive with Lewis in the second fight, Lewis is 6'5. Thinking that Haye would beat Holyfield because of him being 1 inch taller is not valid.

[TheGreatA]

ahah u actually believe that? he was the same hieght as mike tyson rofl he was never 6ft2 and u cant say how much he will wiegh it jus matters how he carries his wieght anyways

Ibragimov must be a midget then.






Jeremy Bates is 5'10


Here's Ibragimov with Tyson.

You still think Tyson and Holyfield are the same size?

[sterling]

Tyson is 5'10. He beat Rid**** Bowe who is 6'5, Dokes who is 6'3, was competitive with Lewis in the second fight, Lewis is 6'5. Thinking that Haye would beat Holyfield because of him being 1 inch taller is not valid.

lets be real here tyson is not 5'10 hes 5'11 same as evander holyfield that is his actuall hieght its the same as joe frazier people said that he was 6ft1 because he was a heavywieght which is crazy fraizier was like 5ft10.
People also said tyson was 6ft 1 rofl i find it funny when people believe in the hype its a known fact that some small heavywieghts get called taller then they actually are if you watch the tyson and evander fight then u wil see the difference in hieght lol not alot of difference rofl.
Also the reason why he got so outboxed by lennox lewis lol also rid**** bowe beat his ass twice :/ u gna go off 1 ud? or 2 wins by bowe? dokes was never 6ft3 he looked smaller then evander but that was his cruiserwieght days anyway we on about heavy.

[Silencers]

lets be real here tyson is not 5'10 hes 5'11 same as evander holyfield that is his actuall hieght its the same as joe frazier people said that he was 6ft1 because he was a heavywieght which is crazy fraizier was like 5ft10.
People also said tyson was 6ft 1 rofl i find it funny when people believe in the hype its a known fact that some small heavywieghts get called taller then they actually are if you watch the tyson and evander fight then u wil see the difference in hieght lol not alot of difference rofl.
Also the reason why he got so outboxed by lennox lewis lol also rid**** bowe beat his ass twice :/ u gna go off 1 ud? or 2 wins by bowe? dokes was never 6ft3 he looked smaller then evander but that was his cruiserwieght days anyway we on about heavy.

Holyfield is 6'2. Look at him next to Iggy who is 6'2 as well. I don't know what you're seeing.

[The Critic]

Height, reach, weight, etc. leave it all alone.

Holyfield was an incredible boxer with an all-time great chin, tremendous heart to go along with all around skill. He fought great Superheavies, outboxed Tyson, was competitive with Lewis, beat Bowe, was excellent against at least five GREAT HWs.

[sterling]

iggy is a midget so is jeremy even so i reckon haye wud gave holyfield some problems.