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  • #71
    Originally posted by dansweeney
    Lewis was good but he didnt fight a prime tyson,holyfield or bowe,if he fought any of these guys in his prime he would have lost
    You so think? King has paid 4 million that Tyson did not go in a ring with Lennox. Why? Because King realized, that Mikes chances a small. Rid**** has refused a champion belt, when has heard about meeting with Lewis. On Holyfield pressed repeatedly for his agreed to a fight. These guys simply were afraid. Therefore it is not guilty Lennox in " he didnt fight a prime tyson... "

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    • #72
      Originally posted by jabsRstiff
      Dempsey....


      No offense....but Scmeling ?

      He won his title by DQ......& beat a green Louis,

      yes, Max is obviously better than my above comments appear to make him out to be..

      But, there's NO WAY he's better than Lewis.
      Lewis has the better accomplishments for sure, but beating a 22 yr old Joe Louis is FAR more impressive then any of Lennox's wins (he never had a great win-an old Holyfield who he arguably lost to in the rematch? Tommy Morrison? Razor Ruddock?) He also got robbed against Sharkey who is also better then any of Lewis's opponents. Schmeling was a better fighter then Lewis but agreed his overall resume prob. doesn't stack up-I'd probably put him right behind Lewis.

      Regarding Lewis-Bowe; I don't believe Bowe was 'scared' of Lewis. He was beating Lewis up pretty badly before he got rocked and given a horrible stoppage in the Olympics. He and Lewis were already in negotitiations for a match in 1994 but Lewis lost to McCall. Was he ducking him in 1991? Possibly, but Rock Newman always did erratic things like that and they were looking for some easy paydays after he won the title. Lewis also gave up a belt to avoid Chris Byrd, who was seen as much more dangerous at the time then he is currently. Was he 'afraid' of Byrd-I don't think so.
      Last edited by dempseyfire; 10-27-2004, 01:55 PM.

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      • #73
        holmes most underrated eva so is tyson by true boxing knowledgable enthusiests

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        • #74
          Originally posted by Great
          Both that and another.
          English for me the second language.

          In that case I guess you're forgiven. I couldn't understand a word you said, but If I tried to converse in Spanish, the only other language I speak, albeit poorly, I doubt I'd be understood very well either.

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          • #75
            y are u even on this site than

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            • #76
              Originally posted by Sonny
              In that case I guess you're forgiven. I couldn't understand a word you said, but If I tried to converse in Spanish, the only other language I speak, albeit poorly, I doubt I'd be understood very well either.
              Thank for understanding.

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              • #77
                Originally posted by dempseyfire
                Lewis has the better accomplishments for sure, but beating a 22 yr old Joe Louis is FAR more impressive then any of Lennox's wins (he never had a great win-an old Holyfield who he arguably lost to in the rematch? Tommy Morrison? Razor Ruddock?) He also got robbed against Sharkey who is also better then any of Lewis's opponents. Schmeling was a better fighter then Lewis but agreed his overall resume prob. doesn't stack up-I'd probably put him right behind Lewis.

                Regarding Lewis-Bowe; I don't believe Bowe was 'scared' of Lewis. He was beating Lewis up pretty badly before he got rocked and given a horrible stoppage in the Olympics. He and Lewis were already in negotitiations for a match in 1994 but Lewis lost to McCall. Was he ducking him in 1991? Possibly, but Rock Newman always did erratic things like that and they were looking for some easy paydays after he won the title. Lewis also gave up a belt to avoid Chris Byrd, who was seen as much more dangerous at the time then he is currently. Was he 'afraid' of Byrd-I don't think so.
                Demspsey does not belong that high or maybe not even top ten. He shamelessy avoided all black fighters during his day thats why he was so inactive. When forced to fight a black fighter he would choose to just sit out rather than fight.

                Schmeling is laughable.

                and Lewis' loss to McCall didn't have anything to do with a fight with Bowe. The loss to McCall happend a few years after Bowe had already pulled out of the contract and by 94 Bowe wasn't even champion anymore.

                Bowe ducked him in 92 when HBO set up the heavyweight tournement

                Bowe vs Holyfield
                Lewis vs Rudock

                The winners were suppossed to fight Bowe and Lewis both won and that right hand Lewis landed on Rudock started giving Bowe flashbacks. Bowe ran like a school girl pulling out of the contract and instead chose to fight Jesse Ferguson and Micheal Dokes.

                As far as calling it a "bad stoppage" I always judge it by looking at the fighter who was stopped. I'll tell you didn't think it was a bad stoppage and thats Ri**** Bowe he didn't complain or anything he knew he was beat.

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                • #78
                  Originally posted by Great
                  Both that and another.
                  English for me the second language.
                  Told you so.

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                  • #79
                    Originally posted by jose
                    Demspsey does not belong that high or maybe not even top ten. He shamelessy avoided all black fighters during his day thats why he was so inactive. When forced to fight a black fighter he would choose to just sit out rather than fight.
                    Shut the **** up boy. argue with me about boxing history and you will go home screaming you got ****d.

                    Tex Rickard cancelled Jack Dempsey's title defense against Harry Wills, choosing instead to face Tunney. Wills would have lost. Dempsey's record against large, slow punchers speaks for itself. Furthermore, you ****** nuthugger, Dempsey fought more black men before he won the title than any other contender of that era. You're as ignorant as you are ugly. As ****** as you are offensive.

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                    • #80
                      Originally posted by jose

                      mmmpppfffpppmmm*slurp*ppmmmffmmm Oh Evander mmmmpppmmmffffmmmm*slurp*
                      Wow. What a ****in amazing argument, you ****** **** stick. It's ****** *******s like you that make these forums degenerate into tit for tat, back and forth insulting. You're a ****** piece of ****, who has shown a little bit of knowledge when it comes to Lennox Lewis, and apart from that ignorance like a void.

                      *I'm giving you the finger **** face*

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