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I feel that Lewis is in the top 15 heavys.He is somewhat overrated but he deserves his rightful place with the greats.It's a shame he never met Bowe when he should have(though at that time, Bowe might have beaten him)but that shouldn't take away his place.
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So precisely who didn't you name? I mean, Ken Norton? Patterson? And Spinks doesn't deserve to be ranked highly at heavyweight. Lightheavy is one thing. Heavyweight is totally different. He didn't do a ton at heavy. Schmeling? The same man who won his title by DQ and lost it in the rematch? Good fighters, all, sure, but deadly serious, you're not supposed to just name every heavy you think of.Originally posted by spinksjinx
1) Louis - this is a preference of power of moving.
2)Ali - He could be in first place too.
3)Marciano - A weak period in the division, but he still deserves a high ranking for never being defeated.
4)Dempsey - If he had one the title a year or two earlier he could have defended the title twenty times instead of just six. His inactivity during his title reign hurts him, but the Long Count and the fact that he has more one round knockouts than any either heavyweight champ don't.
5)Holyfield - The fact that most of his losses came when he was old, were controversial, or can be explained by pre-existing conditions. That means a lot to me, and I don't care if you disagree, so don't bother.
6)Holmes - Great fighter with an awesome legacy, but unfortunately a few too many controversial wins for my taste.
7)Frazier - Best one-handed fighter in division history.
8)Johnson - Big ass, hard-hitting cat of a champ.
9)Foreman - Was a good fighter in both careers, but never truly a complete one.
10)Charles - He was on the downside of a great career by the time he was champ, but his activity level says something. Something serious.
11)Walcott - A guy who had too many off-nights to be ranked higher, but he could probably have beaten anyone else on this list at one point or another.
12)Lewis - If you wanna rank him at ten or at fifteen, I wouldn't have a problem with it, but I don't think he deserves to go any higher or lower. Don't forget, his record says he held the title three times. The linear championship says once. Still, he was a classy fighter whose absolute worth will probably never be known because of the politics that plagued his early career.
13)Liston - I don't have a problem with a higher ranking, but the power-punching champ didn't live up to expectations as far as I'm concerned.
14)Jeffries - Big ass bear of a man. If he had done more when he was at his peak he likely would have been ranked higher.
15)Fitzsimmons - Because I'm a small fighter who likes to beat on heavyweights, little guys like Fitzy get a lotta credit from me. Still, he wasn't that successful as a champ, although being the first three division titlist means he was special.
That's my top fifteen. I know, I know, I probably should have stopped earlier, but once I get rollin on something like this, there's just no stemming the tide.Comment
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Top 25 maybe...your basic freak of nature.Comment
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some of this stuff is just flat out comedy
wow I guess everyone from now until the end of time will have this held against them huhHe also never fought a 15 round fight
Inactive? maybe cause he was shamelessy ducking all the top black fighters4)Dempsey - If he had one the title a year or two earlier he could have defended the title twenty times instead of just six. His inactivity during his title reign hurts him, but the Long Count and the fact that he has more one round knockouts than any either heavyweight champ don't.
mmmpppfffpppmmm*slurp*ppmmmffmmm Oh Evander mmmmpppmmmffffmmmm*slurp*No he shouldn't. Tyson is one thing, Holyfield another. Don't forget, he beat both of them when they were old, and most guys say would have lost to them when they were younger. Furthermore, although I strongly disagree with the draw in their first fight, Holyfield won the rematch on my scorecards. Also, although it's clear that Holyfield has detiorated very much, most of his losses (except the ones to Toney, Byrd, and what should have been a loss against Lewis) it should be noted his others were extremely controversial. Also, Holyfield's two losses earlier in his career came on nights when he should not have been in the ring. With his heart problem against Moorer, and the Hepatitis A he suffered from in the rubber match with Bowe, it's very easy to argue that at his best, Holyfield would have beaten anyone he ever faced. Of course, technically Lewis did beat everyone he ever faced, but only technically in the minds of most fans.Comment
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I don't know if I agree with Lewis being a top ten of all time, but certainly top 15. He was a good champion with exceptional skills. what burns me about Lewis is that he dumped his belts rather than fight Ruiz or Byrd. IMO it tarnished his career.
I don't care who the champion is, I don't agree with ANY reason, money or whatever, for dumping a title. I think it's disrespectful not only to the sport of boxing, but the fans, and champions that held the belt before them. It's goes against the spirit of what the title represents.
The other thing that bothers me about Lewis is, although he won the first fight, He "escaped" into retirement without rematching Vitali. That left a lot of unanswered questions. Lewis won the fight fair and square, but the questions that remain are about Lewis, not Vitali.Comment
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Whats disrespectfull to fans is fighting mandatories rather than trying to make the big fights happen. Jon Ruiz wasn't even the #1 contender for his belt when he gave it up. That was nothing but politics that caused those two things to happen, thats the era we live in.Originally posted by Torino
and there is no need for a rematch when you win fair and sqare and um...Didn't Vitali quit in one of his fights?.Comment
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The truth is still hitting that nerve huh? You should give that wound some time to heal.Originally posted by jose
Why do you need to get hit in the face with a skunk three times before you smell it? READ MY POSTS! I said, there are unanswered questions about Lewis, in his fight with Vitali. The topic isnt about an old Vitali fight, and that has nothing to do with Lewis VS. Vitali.
You either can't read well or you are still twisting the truth.Last edited by Torino; 10-27-2004, 02:01 AM.Comment
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Originally posted by Torino
what truth is htting hard?
You dont even know what surounded him losing those belts.
unanswered questions?...maybe for you. After 100's of amature fights, 40+ pro fights, a 15 year career and 19 World Title fights there are really no more questions left to answer. Were pretty much gonna know all we want about a guy if he has a career like that.
We've been down this road and it never ends good for you. Your gonna get like 10 people disagreaing with you, your gonna run back to ******** with your tail between your legs and after a few weeks you'll come back...etc.
your bringing nothing to the table over here.Comment
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Both that and anotherOriginally posted by Sonny
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English for me the second language.Comment
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Lewis dosen't place in top ten, maybe fiften. Certainely not in top five where he places himself.Comment
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