A List Of Problems American Fans Give Boxing:

[Dick-Sucker]

- Over rating Bernard Hopkins. Winky Wright. Jermain Taylor.

- Under rating Mikkel Kessler. Joe Calzaghe.

- American fans constantly write off fighters from overseas beating there fighters. Simply because they think American fighters are superior. E.G Pavlik to destroy Miranda. Mundine to oupoint Taylor. Calzaghe to stop Hopkins. In some cases the Americans aren't right i can not see Abraham touching Pavlik at all. But in a majority of cases this bias is actually damaging the sport. And preventing the true stars of the sport from going global.

- Over rate power punchers. All this talk about Edison Miranda as a big hitting good is rediculous. In the SMW diviison all Calzaghe, Kessler, Mundine, Bute and Froch have bigger one punch power (iffy on Froch). These guys can also fight a number of styles and have better defences, being all round better fighters than Miranda. Kessler will fight Miranda but it will be a shut out. A very wide UD.

- Why is Winky still in your top 10 P4P? The guy has ducked Kessler in the last few months. He has lost to a past - it Hopkins. He has no knockout power. And put simply i could see a lot of other fighters beating him from MW to SMW.

- RJJ fans are delusional. If the Tito fight was impressive to you thats embarassing. The guy was playing around with a light middleweight. He lacked the basic stamina to finish him off. If RJJ fights any LHW champion, including Danny Green he will get punished. Mark my words.

Conclusion: Im a non-bias boxing supporter and i can see problems with how the Americans watch and follow boxing. First of all your not seeing the best fighters in front of you by watching Hopkins, Winky and Taylor. Why Kessler, Bute, Mundine, Erdei and others are fighting overseas. Also the bias Americans have for there own fighters is actually detracting the chances of better foreign fighters from fighting in the US. This simply leads to the best fights not happening in the US, and having apparently over rated Euro fighters who are the best, not fighting in the US. The home of boxing, is not the home of it at the moment. It is rather the home of over hyped fighters mainly in the MW, SMW, LHW. No argument against the lighter or heavier weights.

[BmoreBrawler]

Why dont you name specific americans that do this overrating. If you're making a blanket statement about American fans, dont do it by what you read on boxingscene, dumbass.

[Point Blank]

Why dont you name specific americans that do this overrating. If you're making a blanket statement about American fans, dont do it by what you read on boxingscene, dumbass.

yup too much boxingscene forums. u gotta realize most here in the forums is a fan of someone.

[HotSizzle]

Who are these "americans" that are overrating hopkins and wright?

[MELLY-MEL...]

bull****!!! talk about biased, look at the last paragraph. come on man, gimme a break!

[The Critic]

C'mon, I'm the first to bash my compatriots for putting all their faith in a few media outlets (ESPN, HBO), and underestimating everything foreign. But it's not like fans from other countries are, on average, more objective

[Fox McCloud]

I'm confused how a fighter who has never fought at super middleweight could be ducking a fighter from that division. But apparantly Wright is ducking Kessler. Learn something new every day.

[Steak]

-Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright ruled their respective divisions for many years, and were able to move up in weight and beat highly ranked fighters like Antonio Tarver and Jermain Taylor. Taylor might be a little bit overrated...but before the Hopkins fights, he looked like he could dominate 160 for years if he kept improving.
- Its kind of hard for a ton of people to know a lot about Calzaghe and Kessler. They havent fought in the US, and hadnt even been available to see on American TV until not too long ago
-How in the hell are Americans preventing fighters from going global? its not our damn job to promote fighters that arent ours to the rest of the world, and really, you dont have to be well known in America to be well known throughout other parts of the world!
-Winky has ducked Kessler? Winky is still a 154lb fighter. Wake up! If you have to move up two weight classes to fight someone, you sure as hell cant duck them! Fighters that 'duck' each other are usually well established in their OWN weight class, and go out of their way to not fight someone at that weight class. and Winky's fight with Hopkins was VERY close, many people had him winning. and this was with him moving up in weight a LOT.
-Joe Calzaghe, Bute, Froch...they do not have more 1 punch power than Miranda. Calzaghe probebly has the natural power to be ABLE to have more one punch power than Miranda...but he doesnt punch like that anymore because of his brittle fists. Bute wears people down to knock them out, its not one punch! Froch...just no. but hes good.
-Yes, RJJ is done. hes pretty old nowadays, Im surprised hes still looking as good as he is to be honest.

Obviously Americans are going to care more about fighters FROM America or fight in America to be more popular than foreign ones we rarely get to see. and of course were going to overrate some of our prospects, thats one of the fun things in boxing! You have to get excited about these prospects, even if they dont actually have a huge amount of talent.
Im sure you and other Australians overrate your fighters a little too, and yall probebly care a lot about fighters like Green, Mundine, Katsidis. Most people know youre more enthusiastic about Mundine than...anyone else ever. But its not a big deal, because hes your countryman, you should support him. Americans do the same stuff with their fighters.

[BattlingNelson]

Great post.

Perhaps it's because the US hasnt produced any worthwhile HW in a long time and they try to sell to the viewing public that their old stars still is the cream of the crop.

You cant fool everybody all the time and the lack of a legit HW loosens the interest of the sport and people turns to MMA. The american tv-stations fails to create new stars BECAUSE the new stars dont live in the US.

[Dick-Sucker]

-Bernard Hopkins and Winky Wright ruled their respective divisions for many years, and were able to move up in weight and beat highly ranked fighters like Antonio Tarver and Jermain Taylor. Taylor might be a little bit overrated...but before the Hopkins fights, he looked like he could dominate 160 for years if he kept improving.
- Its kind of hard for a ton of people to know a lot about Calzaghe and Kessler. They havent fought in the US, and hadnt even been available to see on American TV until not too long ago
-How in the hell are Americans preventing fighters from going global? its not our damn job to promote fighters that arent ours to the rest of the world, and really, you dont have to be well known in America to be well known throughout other parts of the world!
-Winky has ducked Kessler? Winky is still a 154lb fighter. Wake up! If you have to move up two weight classes to fight someone, you sure as hell cant duck them! Fighters that 'duck' each other are usually well established in their OWN weight class, and go out of their way to not fight someone at that weight class. and Winky's fight with Hopkins was VERY close, many people had him winning. and this was with him moving up in weight a LOT.
-Joe Calzaghe, Bute, Froch...they do not have more 1 punch power than Miranda. Calzaghe probebly has the natural power to be ABLE to have more one punch power than Miranda...but he doesnt punch like that anymore because of his brittle fists. Bute wears people down to knock them out, its not one punch! Froch...just no. but hes good.
-Yes, RJJ is done. hes pretty old nowadays, Im surprised hes still looking as good as he is to be honest.

Obviously Americans are going to care more about fighters FROM America or fight in America to be more popular than foreign ones we rarely get to see. and of course were going to overrate some of our prospects, thats one of the fun things in boxing! You have to get excited about these prospects, even if they dont actually have a huge amount of talent.
Im sure you and other Australians overrate your fighters a little too, and yall probebly care a lot about fighters like Green, Mundine, Katsidis. Most people know youre more enthusiastic about Mundine than...anyone else ever. But its not a big deal, because hes your countryman, you should support him. Americans do the same stuff with their fighters.

It just baffles me that Winky still makes people top 10?

How?

Im not talking about past performances.

LOOK AT P4P DEFINITION : Fighters who would win at any weight. How can Winky be in there and someone like Kessler isn't? Kessler would destroy Winky at MW, LHW, anything. I never said Winky ducked Kessler, because i don't think that happened. Winky over prices himself and thats why fights don't get made.

My main problem here is Americans will pay to watch Peter vs Maskaev? Correct? And also B-Hop vs Winky?

But the Kesslers, Calzaghes, Abrahams are better and should be watched. That is if American fans appreciate watching the sport at the highest quality. But the bias thing comes in again.

Going on about Winky and B-Hops reputation is not gonna work with me. Both are past it. Both will loose to Calzgahe, Kessler, Abraham, Mundine, Bute. Its time to watch the new talent. That is if your pure boxing fans.

And my big problem is Winky being top 10 P4P? I can give you 3 fighters from MW, and 4 from SMW that would beat him. Going by P4P definition, how come there all not in top 10?

Keep this close to boxing logic everyone. These are my views. I just feel you guys are missing out on a lot with not watching Calzaghe and Kessler in the US earlier in there careers.

Look forward to hearing replies.