Official Steroid Break-down: Toney, Mosley, Vargas, And Jones Jr.

[tyson]

What Ree****yaluss FAILS to add to his little piece is that Jones registered 6X the legal levels.
And the fact is no amount of ripped fuel would register that high.
So how do you explain that?
And Roy's initial excuse for testing positive was "nasal congestant" then later changed to "Ripped Fuel".
Pretty weird to mix those 2 up eh?

If Roid Jones was out there knocking people's heads off, I'd be shouting as well.
But he wasn't. Dude didn't even have an impressive list of ko's at that time, so I don't give a ****.
If it didn't help him kill people, or give him 2x the speed or stamina, then what is wrong with taking something that wasn't banned in the first place?

I'd shout more about the fact that Richard Hall had 10x the amount of the same ****. He was a puncher as well, wasn't he?

[moofo]

If Roid Jones was out there knocking people's heads off, I'd be shouting as well.
But he wasn't. Dude didn't even have an impressive list of ko's at that time, so I don't give a ****.
If it didn't help him kill people, or give him 2x the speed or stamina, then what is wrong with taking something that wasn't banned in the first place?

I'd shout more about the fact that Richard Hall had 10x the amount of the same ****. He was a puncher as well, wasn't he?

The point is if you use steroids to train it increases your strength and ability to train longer and recuperate much quicker.
If steroids didn't give you an advantage they wouldn't be banned.
Whatever way you look at it it is cheating.
Anyway I've discussed this too many times.
The way I see it is there are a lot of people who treat this like a Girlfriend who cheats on them but they don't want to admit it.
Roy tested 6x the limit and even with ripped fuel he wouldn't register that high.

[tyson]

The point is if you use steroids to train it increases your strength and ability to train longer and recuperate much quicker.
If steroids didn't give you an advantage they wouldn't be banned.
Whatever way you look at it it is cheating.
Anyway I've discussed this too many times.
The way I see it is there are a lot of people who treat this like a Girlfriend who cheats on them but they don't want to admit it.
Roy tested 6x the limit and even with ripped fuel he wouldn't register that high.

But it is the same substance that ripped fuel contained that he testet positive for, no?

The same substance, no matter what amount he had in him, who got banned in 2004, yes?

He stopped the **** when it got banned, right?

Then why shout?

[moofo]

But it is the same substance that ripped fuel contained that he testet positive for, no?

The same substance, no matter what amount he had in him, who got banned in 2004, yes?

He stopped the **** when it got banned, right?

Then why shout?

Roy said it was ripped fuel......no-one knows if it was ripped fuel.
They just took Roy's word for it.
But he would have to take a ton of ripped fuel to be 6 x the limit.....

*************.com: Did Roy Jones test positive after his fight against Richard Hall?

Jacob Hall: "Both of them did. Roy Jones tested positive for steroids. He was five or six times over an acceptable level. Hall was about ten times above an acceptable level. He didn't mention that in his interview (the now infamous interview of July 18 with Bragging Rights Corner and Doghouse Boxing).

A letter was sent to both (Jones and Hall). The Indiana Boxing Commission followed up - I talked to Jones' people and said we were going to declare the fight a no-contest, suspend and fine him. And at that time, Jones' attorney Fred Levin and the Indiana Attorney General's office got involved.

Indiana has no law on drug testing as probably the majority of the states in the U.S. do not. The drug testing company sent us the results. Most states that don't have drug testing laws, the test results go back to the sanctioning bodies. I think most people are surprised at that. What do the sanctioning bodies do when they get positive test results? Suspend? Fine? They didn't in this case. And there's no way you're going to know about it.

Through his attorney, Jones admitted he had been taking an over-the-counter product called Ripped Fuel. That's not illegal but it is an anabolic steroid according to the IBF and other other sanctioning bodies.

So he did test positive. He did take Ripped Fuel.

Whether that's what he took or not we don't know, but he did test positive and admitted to taking a steroid.

The IBF chose to do nothing. They wanted a second test to be done. But why take a second test when he failed the first one and admitted to taking a steroid? That's where it ended.

No action was taken. Nobody did anything.

We couldn't take action (because there is no drug testing law in the state of Indiana)

[tyson]

Roy said it was ripped fuel......no-one knows if it was ripped fuel.
They just took Roy's word for it.
But he would have to take a ton of ripped fuel to be 6 x the limit.....

Ah, I see. That's another matter altogether.
I thought he was on the **** which Ripped Fuel had as an ingridient.
If it was something else, it's a different matter.

If he took steroids knowingly, he should be stripped of all his accomplishments and hung from a tree.

I mean that. I don't have double standards, a cheat is a cheat and should die.

Sorry I was a little deuchebag.

[THE REED]

The ripped fuel is his reason... ripped fuel contained the substance he tested positive for... I personaly dont care if he took ripped fuel or bought those little chewable tablets at GNC.. or took something ELSE with androstenedione in it...

The conclusion IS... whatever the god damn limit is he tested positive for...

It was a chemical that was LEGAL while he was taking it.. you could buy it at GNC, maybe he popped 4 of those chewable tablets before his workouts... i dont care, you could buy it at GNC.

Thats like right now, before you train for a fight.. you goto GNC and buy some supplements that you find help your workout... and 6 years later they ban it and call it a steroid and wanna take away your accomplishments... thats bull****... it was legal, legit, and your own mother could buy this stuff at the mall.. and thats WHY, they DIDNT do anything about it, because they understood what happened.

Richard Hall tested positive for 10X the limit of the same stuff, twice as much as roy... he got his ass handed to him.. and was tired half way through the fight..

It doesnt matter what if it was 20x the limit... the point is... it was LEGAL while he took it, he stopped taking it after that fight... and then he stopped eric harding in his very next fight..

What proves moofo is just a hater of roy, is you dont ever hear him talking about Vargas, Toney or Mosley... only roy, he hunts out roy threads just for his hate comments... and if you need any further proof.. here you go

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=158400&highlight=moofo+certified

[THE REED]

If Roid Jones was out there knocking people's heads off, I'd be shouting as well.
But he wasn't. Dude didn't even have an impressive list of ko's at that time, so I don't give a ****.
If it didn't help him kill people, or give him 2x the speed or stamina, then what is wrong with taking something that wasn't banned in the first place?
I'd shout more about the fact that Richard Hall had 10x the amount of the same ****. He was a puncher as well, wasn't he?

Exactly.... If moofo was really this hate advocate of steroid users and not just roy, he would be talking about Richard Hall, more in this article than anybody else, and James toney, Shane Mosley, and Fernando Vargas, but no.. those names never come out of his ill in formed mouth... the REAL steroid users, Like James who took something that comes in Injectibles AKA Syringes... But jumps all over Roys nuts for taking something you could buy at GNC in chewable tablets and energy drinks... and was LEGAL while he was taking it.

[LondonRingRules]

I The post-fight drug test showed Jones and Hall both tested positive for androstenedione, which is a banned substance by the IBF.

** The press releases I've seen by the Indiana boxing commish only mention that Jones and Hall both tested positive for steroids.

Boxing did not have mandatory testing back then and still has one of the weakest PED policies in sports. There is no indication that any serious drug testing protocol was followed or even a comprehensive test given.

Roy and Hall seem to be the sources of the Ripped Fuel claims. In short, the steroid test was useless except as a tool to be used for publicity. It's convenient to claim andro use because it's a legal supplement used by millions and sold over the counter. The reason some sports ban it's use, primarily track and field and the Olympic games, is because steroid users use andro to mask their steroid use, making the tests more unreliable.

I tend to think Jones may well have used steroids to bulk up for the LH division, but I've never seen any definitive linkage to him and steroids other than the poorly orchestrated Indiana boxing commish press releases. If you go to Wikipedia, you will see that unattributed andro claim, but Wiki admits that a publically sourced information library can never be as accurate as they would like it to be.

It seems like if Jones really got into the juice that some Jose Canseco rat would be wanting to either blackmail Jones or out him. Maybe in the future we find out more, but keep in mind that Canseco has about zero credibility and proof in his accusations, whereas in an investigation such as the Congressional baseball testimonies, the FBI is involved, and if any evidence still exists and testimony corraborated, then something resembling the actual truth has a chance to emerge.

It's more interesting that Holyfield has been investigated at least twice by DAs recently for buying steroids and may still be under investigation. All that stuff gets buried since he pretty much flies under the wire as a shot boxer.

[Derranged]

Great post. Roy Jones Jr. should not be "ripped" on for taking ripped fuel, it wasnt illegal at the time. I PRAY MooFool reads this post.

[-Antonio-]

I strongly believe Toney took roids the first time to help him heal faster from his bad injuries, and although it is against the rules, that is something I can understand.

The second time was from laziness, and thinking they'd be a miracle worker for him imo.