Is Floyd Waiting For Cotto To Become Great?

[Vladimir303]

IF COTTO CLEANS UP THE DIVISION THERE NO NEED OF FLOYD MAYWEATHER BECAUSE THERE WOULD BE A NEW WELTERWEIGHT CHAMPION AND IT WON'T BE FLOYD HE WILL BE FORGOTTEN.

Doesn't that make Cotto and his fans hypocritical? Saying that you don't need Floyd once Cotto reaches a certain level. If that's the case, why does Floyd have to fight Cotto now? He is above him in every ranking system.

Sit on that and think about it.

[Vladimir303]

It is possible that Floyd is waiting for Cotto to lose so he won't have to fight .

Is it possible that he is waiting for Cotto to become great? If he doesn't, is that Floyd's fault for not fighting him sooner?

If Cotto is not great, then somebody else might as well expose him and save Floyd the time.

That's what happened with Margarito. That's what happened with P.Williams. They're not who people thought they were as fighters.

[Brockton Lip]

Is it possible that he is waiting for Margarito to become great? If he doesn't, is that Floyd's fault for not fighting him sooner?

If Cotto is not great, then somebody else might as well expose him and save Floyd the time.

One of Floyd's best/safest outcomes in my opinion would be for Margarito and Cotto to fight each other in a brutal war which would take something out of both fighters and possibly 'expose' the loser and weaken the winner; Leaving the winner to be easy pickings for Floyd and still be seen as great by many.

[frankpaganini]

Floyd just might be waiting for cotto to become great.

i think for a few big reasons:

A) Money (the more cotto wins and establishes himself and branches out with fans the more money it makes when the fight happens)

B) Its easier to fight a FEW top guys in a division than fight all 20 guys anyone names in that division and one below it. why not have the guys eliminate themselves and only fight the best rather than 10 really good fighters...

its too much for anyone to fight all the top 10 guys in a division...especially at floyd's age...he has to be more selective at this stage of his career...he can go out and fight just anyone that some armchair boxing expert names.

i think the 3 best fights mayweather can make are the second de la hoya fight (which is already happening); miguel cotto; manny pacquiao at a catch weight...in terms of money and meaning 30 years from now i would say those fights are the 3 BIGGEST fights he can make...

forget callazo; or clottey; or williams; etc.

i think cotto is clearly the top contender in the welterweight division right now...cotto keeps winning...the fight will happen.

i for one REALLY want to see Cotto V. Mayweather. i think it would be a VERY good fight.

The wait favor's cotto to build upon his techniques and attempt to fix his flaws to give floyd an even tougher/closer fight.

the longer it takes for this fight to happen (within reason) the better chance cotto has of beating mayweather...more time to polish himself.

[NAPO]

Doesn't that make Cotto and his fans hypocritical? Saying that you don't need Floyd once Cotto reaches a certain level. If that's the case, why does Floyd have to fight Cotto now? He is above him in every ranking system.

Sit on that and think about it.

why is he being criticized then??? think about that he won't need him going to 154 will be so much better.

[Vladimir303]

One of Floyd's best/safest outcomes in my opinion would be for Margarito and Cotto to fight each other in a brutal war which would take something out of both fighters and possibly 'expose' the loser and weaken the winner; Leaving the winner to be easy pickings for Floyd and still be seen as great by many.

Check my post again, I edited out Margarito's name, I meant Cotto.

Sounds to me like you're putting Floyd in a No-Win situation by making excuses for those two. I guess Cotto should take it easy and wait on Floyd to become generous and give him a shot.

If Cotto is great, then he should have no problem beating Margarito and moving on to bigger and better things.

[BmoreBrawler]

If you think about it, the main thing most detractors point out is that Floyd hasn't beaten any great fighters and if they were great then they weren't in their prime when he fought them. And if they were prime then they weren't much to begin with.....as in overrated.

So could it be, that he is giving Cotto more time to establish himself not just as a very good young fighter who deserves a shot BUT a great fighter. Didn't Sugary Ray Leonard keep Hearns waiting for a long time and the perception was that Ray was duckin' him? But then Leonard's trainer said that they're just trying to make the fight bigger by milkin it and keeping people waiting? Wasn't the reward that much greater for Leonard?

Which brings me to a similar situaiton with Margarito. Face-to-face, Floyd told Margarito that the fight will even be bigger if they wait. What Floyd meant was, just keep piling up victories and I'll meet you down the line when you're considered something like a great. Margarito didn't do that and flopped, P. Wiliams didn't do that. Had Floyd beaten a guy like Margarito, it only would have satisfied people for the time being. Historically, it wouldn't have meant much and 30 years later, when looking at Floyd record, people wouldn't have pointed out his great victory against The Most Feared Fighter Margarito.

I think you know where I'm going with this

So it's all up to Miguel Cotto now, can he beat Gomez and go on to unify titles with the Margarito/Cintron winner...OR...will he be just another guy like so many others (who claimed they're being ducked) and flop just when he is about to reach greatness.

I don't think he is there yet and I think Floyd knows this too.

As long as they strip floyd of the title and de-rank him in all sanctioning bodies, what the **** do I care.

[Brockton Lip]

Check my post again, I edited out Margarito's name, I meant Cotto.

Sounds to me like you're putting Floyd in a No-Win situation by making excuses for those two. I guess Cotto should take it easy and wait on Floyd to become generous and give him a shot.

If Cotto is great, then he should have no problem beating Margarito and moving on to bigger and better things.

It isn't much of a win-win situation for Floyd. Thats expected though, all eyes are on him. I personally feel he'll whoop on Cotto but many think Cotto would win so if he doesn't fight Cotto, people will say hes ducking Cotto. Therefore he should fight him and cement his legacy. Cotto is among the top of the food chain in the Welters so fighting Cotto now is fine. Waiting could be risky because Cotto could lose or will start to slip (although it would be an easier fight and still make alot of money, some people would catch on and realize Cotto isn't the fighter he was if he were to slip). So he can fight Cotto now in a fight he'd most likely win and make money and add to his legacy, or wait and the above could occur. Cotto is already great, just not all-time like the Haglers and Hearns, but thats probably not going to happen so now is the time. He isn't about legacy too much though it appears, hes more about money and taking the lowest risks. So fighting Cotto later could be great financially and safer for him, although I think Cotto would end up getting worse and not better. Legacy vs. Money.

Mayweather has never waited for a single fighter to become great. He has cherry picked names and nothing more. He has been afraid to mix it up with a top fighter in his prime since Castillo. Castillo showed Mayweather that's he's not unbeatable and that's the reason Mayweather doesn't want to face anyone who is a threat to him. He will not fight Cotto in a million years.

[Vladimir303]

It isn't much of a win-win situation for Floyd. Thats expected though, all eyes are on him. I personally feel he'll whoop on Cotto but many think Cotto would win so if he doesn't fight Cotto, people will say hes ducking Cotto. Therefore he should fight him and cement his legacy. Cotto is at among the top of the food chain in the Welters so fighting Cotto now is fine. Waiting could be risky because Cotto could lose or will start to slip (although it would be an easier fight and still make alot of money, some people would catch on and realize Cotto isn't the fighter he was if he were to slip). So he can fight Cotto now in a fight he'd most likely win and make money and add to his legacy, or wait and the above could occur. Cotto is already great, just not all-time like the Haglers and Hearns, but thats probably not going to happen so now is the time. He isn't about legacy too much though it appears, hes more about money and taking the lowest risks. So fighting Cotto later could be great financially and safer for him, although I think Cotto would end up getting worse and not better. Legacy vs. Money.

1. Cotto is not great.....YET.

2. Floyd cleaning out the welterweight divison against fighters who are not great or even hall of fame status doesn't add on to his legacy. Roy Jones cleaned out the light-heavy divison and people didn't think much of that.

3. If Cotto goes through Margarito/Cintron and unifies he will be great and beating him will mean much more then just money and satisfiying peoples thirst to see Floyd lose. Right now, that's not the case.

4. Read Post # 16 regarding Floyd only fighting for money.