De La is (was) great but he is not Sugar Ray Leonard

[danny stash]

He will not come back and beat Floyd.

Waste of a great fighter (S) prime-post prime

[Mr. Ryan]

That's what makes ODLH so hard to gauge. He has the tools, it's plain to see. He has power, boxing skills, speed, heart, chin, amateur pedigree. He's just found ways to come just short in his biggest performances. Against Whitaker, he was supposed to outwork the older fighter. He did, but looked sloppy. It could happen to anyone, I guess.

But when he failed to really separate himself from Quartey for most of the fight, then dropped the ball with Tito, alot of doubt came over me. Then he loses twice to Mosley and lays down against Hopkins. He's proven that he's a guy that can't win when he's not expected to.

I think the same will be the case against Mayweather in the rematch. I think DLH knows he's in with a guy that has more skill and will give it his best. That won't be enough though.

[danny stash]

That's what makes ODLH so hard to gauge. He has the tools, it's plain to see. He has power, boxing skills, speed, heart, chin, amateur pedigree. He's just found ways to come just short in his biggest performances. Against Whitaker, he was supposed to outwork the older fighter. He did, but looked sloppy. It could happen to anyone, I guess.

But when he failed to really separate himself from Quartey for most of the fight, then dropped the ball with Tito, alot of doubt came over me. Then he loses twice to Mosley and lays down against Hopkins. He's proven that he's a guy that can't win when he's not expected to.

I think the same will be the case against Mayweather in the rematch. I think DLH knows he's in with a guy that has more skill and will give it his best. That won't be enough though.

very accurate assessment here.

[MELLY-MEL...]

That's what makes ODLH so hard to gauge. He has the tools, it's plain to see. He has power, boxing skills, speed, heart, chin, amateur pedigree. He's just found ways to come just short in his biggest performances. Against Whitaker, he was supposed to outwork the older fighter. He did, but looked sloppy. It could happen to anyone, I guess.

But when he failed to really separate himself from Quartey for most of the fight, then dropped the ball with Tito, alot of doubt came over me. Then he loses twice to Mosley and lays down against Hopkins. He's proven that he's a guy that can't win when he's not expected to.

I think the same will be the case against Mayweather in the rematch. I think DLH knows he's in with a guy that has more skill and will give it his best. That won't be enough though.

good post bro!!!!

[potatoes]

In a pre-fight interview last year I heard De La Hoya make a correct analysis of what he needed to do to give himself the best chance of beating Mayweather. Pump the jab, cut off the ring, force him into the ropes and make the fight very physical. The problem is he didn't do it. In a post-fight interview De La Hoya was asked why failed to pump the jab etc, his response is that he didn't know why he failed to do it. Should be obvious what the problem is, De La Hoya is too old. His days as a top professional are over and it is time he retired. If he could not get the job done the first time, why should we believe that he will suddenly perform better the second?

As to whether De La Hoya is as good as Ray Leonard or Ray Robinson is a matter of opinion. It is not always easy to compare men of different eras.

[Zerwas1]

There are more people who say he won Mosley II than there are who say he lost

[Mr. Ryan]

If ever there was a guy caught between greatness and immortality, it's De La Hoya.

[warp1432]

I agreed with everything except that he layed down against Hopkins. That punched knocked him down. Maybe he didn't want to get up, but he didn't take the fall on purpose.

[Mr. Ryan]

I agreed with everything except that he layed down against Hopkins. That punched knocked him down. Maybe he didn't want to get up, but he didn't take the fall on purpose.

The standards of greatness are Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, and I'll throw Ali out there also. A great fighter gets up when he can't. I don't recall who said that, but it was said. I felt those guys would've gotten up if they were in that situation. I can't prove that DLH laid down because he didn't want to get up, but that's my assessment.

[SkillspayBills]

The standards of greatness are Ray Robinson, Ray Leonard, and I'll throw Ali out there also. A great fighter gets up when he can't. I don't recall who said that, but it was said. I felt those guys would've gotten up if they were in that situation. I can't prove that DLH laid down because he didn't want to get up, but that's my assessment.

Dempsey said it and I'm not talking about the movie character.