james toney had a better carrer then roy

[T-97]

Roy lost to montel by DQ Toney lost to montel by UD twice and the 1st fight Toney was stepping up in weight so he had NO weight problems. Not to mention Toney lost to the slick boxer Samuel Peters twice and who the hell is Drake Thadzi.
Is Nunn beating Jones a fact? cause i was under the impression there was a difference between fact and opinion and Nunn was beating Toney handily before the stoppage and then after the loss where did Nunn go?

Both of RJJ biggest wins Toney and Hopkins went on to become greats. Hopkins was rated higher than RJJ at the time of there fight and Toney was P4P number 1 at the time so you're statement about them being underdeveloped is moot.

the dudes a nuthugger, but good post

[Thread Stealer]

haha that old myth he was slippin alot of shots u newbie he was blocking alot of shots.
roy cant fight southpaws hes stated he has trouble nunn was best pound for pound at the time and trained by dundee he was fast southpaw with power he would of owned of owned roy tbh.

Yes, he has had trouble, as many guys have had, with southpaws.

He also defeated a whole long list of lefties.

[THE REED]

this is great.. i dont even have to post in here

[GunStar]

Toney > Jones

That is if you know boxing.

[TheGreatA]

[Pele..Rjj..23]

toney is a great fighter but jones is that bit better and has had alot better career in everyway,

[slicksouthpaw16]

I agree with the thread starter and i almost didn't come into this thread because i knew people would automatically say that Roy's career and resume was better, which it wasn't at all. Toney's record and resume is alot better than Roys.

There is a big difference between the opposition that Toney fought and the opposition that Jones fought. Roy pick and choose his opponents that he knew he could beat and that was not a real threat to him. Think about it, who did Roy fight that was a real threat to his titles? A green Bernard Hopkins that didn't have his ora down yet? An out of shape Toney in which Jones continuously changed the date of the fight so Toney could be out of shape?

Toney fought all comers and didn't duck any fighter, Do you really think that Roy would fight Vasili Jirov? 31-0 brutal body puncher and cruierweight champion? Do you really think that Roy would fight Evander Holyfield even at that stage in his career? Sam Peter? Iran Barkley? undefeated Tim Littles? Washington? Roy ducked old Buster Douglas so please. These fighters are all threats to Toney. Roy has never fought fighters of these caliber.

Roy had all of the tools and had the physical gifts to become the best middle or super middle of all time. But he was no where near as tough as Toney and did not like to fight undefeated up and comers or real threats to him. Instead of fighting top opponents, he fought weak opposition like Glen Kelly, Pazienza, Valle ect. All opponents that he know he could beat and not real threats.

[slicksouthpaw16]

Its quite easy to look good against a fighter that is only fighting in spirts and is out of shape. When Toney would even fight, Roy would jump on defence. Toney was even countering Roy with short right hands when Roy would come in. Its just that he couldn't keep it up because he was way out of shape and had to be hooked up to IV's before the fight and hospitalized. James Toney weighed 214 2 weeks before the fight and that speaks for itself. Roy Jones did not the beat the real James Toney.

Put Roy in there against the Toney that fought Iran Barkley and see if he would look as good.

[TheGreatA]

I agree that Roy Jones didn't beat the real James Toney and there should've been a rematch (possibly in 2003 when Jones was the HW champ and Toney was the CW champ) but James Toney spent almost 10 years fighting nothing but bums, journeymen and a few contenders and actually lost to some of them (Griffin, Thadzi).

Toney also won disputed decisions over Merqui Sosa (split), Reggie Johnson (split, Toney was dropped), Mike McCallum (draw, majority) and Dave Tiberi (split).

Even in his greatest victory over Michael Nunn, he was badly behind on points before unleashing a hell of a left hook that dropped Nunn.

When you compare the way Toney and Roy Jones beat their common opponents, you will find that Roy Jones completely dominated them, Toney struggled with many.

Roy Jones was also a terrible styles match-up for James Toney who didn't like to move much, Jones was an elusive target for Toney.
Toney was at his absolute best against come-forward fighters like Iran Barkley because of his polished inside game, his body movements, his countering ability and the great chin he had.

Roy Jones just pot-shotted him all night and racked up points.

Toney simply lacked stamina that night and he did on many other nights when he struggled with mediocre opposition.
That is why he cannot be considered BETTER than Roy Jones who came in shape to every fight of his, every single night. Toney was simply too inconsistent.

I could easily make Toney look bad by being negative about his career like you people seem to be about Roy's but you have to be unbiased when discussing one's resume.
Roy had many good wins, most are already posted on the first few pages of this thread.

[cotto16]

Don't think so!