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  • Taylor - Pavlik I & II, reconsidered

    This morning I watched the fight for the third time. Each time it looked better for Pavlik. I'm not going to bother going through round by round (I did that on the second viewing: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh....php?t=156348), but Pavlik said some things on the Countdown that gave me reason to rewatch.

    1. According to Leow, Pavlik claims to have realized he had JT beaten when Taylor's pec quivered. This was BEFORE Kelly landed the big right hand that pushed Taylor back to the corner. When did Kelly hurt JT so badly that the TKO became inevitable? This happened very gradually, though I still think the key punch in the fight, if there was one, was a right hand in the middle of Round 6.

    This is important only against the theory that Pavlik at some point turned the fight around. I watched the fight this morning with this in mind, and it was indeed a slow, steady beating without genuine turning points. It doesn't matter that JT won a few of those rounds. Kelly doesn't need the rounds, he takes a toll even in rounds he's losing.


    2. Pavlik said he's not sure Jermaine's body can last the fight. He understands how he broke him down, that Taylor cannot take the punishment he has to give. I had wondered whether JT could win a decision in the rematch. I now think there's little to no chance of it going the distance.


    3. Taylor made the better technical adjustments. By the fifth round Taylor had figured out Pavlik's timing on his punches. Taylor managed to slip jabs and rights and come back with his own shots. But Pavlik never ceased, he didn't let losing the battle diminish his output. I realized in that round this morning that even if Taylor wins the first eight rounds next week, he'll get knocked out after that. So don't bother keeping a scorecard next week.


    Until today I was giving Taylor a chance. No more.

  • #2
    Originally posted by kayjay View Post
    This morning I watched the fight for the third time. Each time it looked better for Pavlik. I'm not going to bother going through round by round (I did that on the second viewing: http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh....php?t=156348), but Pavlik said some things on the Countdown that gave me reason to rewatch.

    1. According to Leow, Pavlik claims to have realized he had JT beaten when Taylor's pec quivered. This was BEFORE Kelly landed the big right hand that pushed Taylor back to the corner. When did Kelly hurt JT so badly that the TKO became inevitable? This happened very gradually, though I still think the key punch in the fight, if there was one, was a right hand in the middle of Round 6.

    This is important only against the theory that Pavlik at some point turned the fight around. I watched the fight this morning with this in mind, and it was indeed a slow, steady beating without genuine turning points. It doesn't matter that JT won a few of those rounds. Kelly doesn't need the rounds, he takes a toll even in rounds he's losing.


    2. Pavlik said he's not sure Jermaine's body can last the fight. He understands how he broke him down, that Taylor cannot take the punishment he has to give. I had wondered whether JT could win a decision in the rematch. I now think there's little to no chance of it going the distance.


    3. Taylor made the better technical adjustments. By the fifth round Taylor had figured out Pavlik's timing on his punches. Taylor managed to slip jabs and rights and come back with his own shots. But Pavlik never ceased, he didn't let losing the battle diminish his output. I realized in that round this morning that even if Taylor wins the first eight rounds next week, he'll get knocked out after that. So don't bother keeping a scorecard next week.


    Until today I was giving Taylor a chance. No more.


    Personally I want JT to win just after reading this post. Don't worry I will send you some green k my friend, since I know you will be a good sport.

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    • #3
      I think for the first 3 or 4 rounds, Taylor is going to be EXTREMELY dangerous. I would reccomend Pavlik use his jab and show off some of his boxing skills, let Taylor let off all his nervous energy and let him settle down.

      THEN go on the attack. I think Pavlik takes him out in 7 or 8 rounds.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by SkillspayBills View Post
        Personally I want JT to win just after reading this post. Don't worry I will send you some green k my friend, since I know you will be a good sport.
        I won't be upset if Taylor wins. I will partly regret having picked it wrong, but we can all be wrong, no? I'll be happy to see Taylor's career back on track.

        Taylor has earned my respect. Both Pavlik and Taylor are warriors. The first fight was a classic. I don't expect that we'll get that again, since that doesn't happen all the time. But both guys earned their large paychecks in September.

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        • #5
          Pavlik is almost perfect technically.... he is not flashy.. nor is he overly quick..
          So a less schooled fan might not recognise his Subtle movements.His ring cutting skills.. nor the effectiveness of his punching technique..

          But the results speak for themselves... Pavlik is a true Old school technician

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Welter_Skelter View Post
            Pavlik is almost perfect technically.... he is not flashy.. nor is he overly quick..
            So a less schooled fan might not recognise his Subtle movements.His ring cutting skills.. nor the effectiveness of his punching technique..

            But the results speak for themselves... Pavlik is a true Old school technician
            Yes I agree.
            Pavlik's ability to perfectly time his punches is exceptional as well.

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            • #7
              For some reason I like Taylor more now than I did before he lost. I guess I didnt like him because of all the gift decisions, but I always thoght he was a cool dude. Now I like him more than ever and am rooting for him this fight. IDK cant explain it.

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              • #8
                Pavlik just has Taylor's number.

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                • #9
                  I don't want to jinx Pavlik by saying that he's guaranteed to win, but I am picking him and am glad that the ref being used is not one that usually stops fight prematurely.

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                  • #10
                    I just keep going back to the fact that Pavlik hurting Taylor was definitely more legit than the other way around. Pavlik just got caught, while Taylor was sytematically broken down. I agree with Pavlik when he says Taylor was hurt. After he landed that punch it was over from there. Taylor has to do a lot more to take Pavlik out.

                    So I still feel the same way Pavlik TKO 9 in another good fight.

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