Interesting Argument : Current Boxing vs Old Boxing

[TheGreatA]

Jake LaMotta can beat Roy Jones, well atleast this Roy Jones.

Anyway, I agree that we have a more scientific, advanced and evolved training/nutrition (also teh 'roids) today but the problem is, most boxers don't use that training, especially in the HW division.




I remember someone posting these pictures in another forum.

[Zerwas1]

Depends on how much you go back.
I say a lot of boxers (not all) from 1920 would get ****ed nowadays, but with every year later they get better. Nutrition,doping,training, styles

[tyson]

What you said there was my point. 1996 is modern day boxing, but it's scary how fat and **** heavyweights are today.
Like I said, Boxing is just a job nowadays. It used to be so much more..

[Unseen]

My All Time great list includes mainly old boxers with one boxer in the current generation. Anyway thats not the point. I came across a guy giving me this argument the other day.

On another forum.

"saying SRR, Ali etc etc, all those guys are all time greats is false. Boxing is at a much higher level now than it was then. The sport has progressed in all technical areas such as skill, speed and power. So much so world class fighters now are five times the world class fighters the older generation were. Thats why guys like Mayweather, De La Hoya, RJJ, Hopkins, etc etc are all time greats".

I thought the guy was dillusional for saying it. But as a shock to me others beleived what he was saying and agreed.

What are your thoughts on this? Is boxing at a higher level now?

Sure as oath the heavyweight division fkn isn't.

Ult

he is right in soem respect, but you have to judge era at the time rather than the present if you get me. everything done in the past can be used for the rpesent. what they did then can be used to make the fighters of today better. i feel that this can be applied more to group sports rather than individuals.

in boxing it's not just how you train, it's who you are. it's what life you have.

maybe someone like mayweather wouldn't be anywhere famous in the past. maybe his body wouldn't take the 15 rounds and many fights that some had to do.

infact having 15 rounds of the past may mean the fighters were fitter, or that it meant soem fights werent as explosive since fighters eneded to make sure they lasted the 15. maybe with the managers and machiens of today, boxers of the past would be even better. who can tell.

anyway i believe in boxing, it's about mental just as much as physical. you have weeks to train and months to know who you are fighting. there may be more machines today but a punch bag and pads were here back then. too hard to judge.

[duffgun]

Well they used to go 15 rounds so maybe they were in better shape in the past. certainly heavyweights were in better shape guys like Povetkin, chamber, Brock etc should lose weight and Toney just proves that someone who is grossly overweight can compete in the division that’s an embarrassment. Fights used to last 40rounds plus but they were a lot slower from what I know.

[SkillspayBills]

I remember someone posting these pictures in another forum.

Man the Heavies are HEAVY. Disgrace that fighters with talent lack the sort of dedication to come into bouts in peak shape.

[IchiBonDj]

I totally disagree with that guys argument...skill level etc. is all relative to the times. One things for sure, fighters nowadays dont fight anywhere near as often or have anywhere close to the amount of fights as fighters from the old school. So if fighter nowadays are 5x's more skilled then I guess the old school fighters were 5x's tougher.

[LondonRingRules]

Over time, humans always evolve themself to be more efficient at what they do.

** Oh, really?

Apparently they are evolving so well that their ever expanding rumps will be rolled into the rising marauding oceans and well boiled in a sea of global warming stew into the new, improved primordial slime with global positioning.

In the meantime, how's about marketing that quoolaide you've been qulping.

[Ryn0]

depends how far you go back go too far and boxing is worse that current times the chamions are still great and are all time great becaues they can only be measured by there only time. John L Sullivans' era for example isnt great and boxing was alot more primitive wit guard being held extremely awkward and nowdays they would be easy to hit. There are exeptions such as fighters like Jimmy Wilde etc. i'd say boxing really hit its stride in the 20's with Dempsey.

SRR etc are trule great thought and could arguably beat pretty much any one in there respective weight classes. Although i have a few ATG's from now days. RJJ, Hopkins (i h8 him but he has lasted ages), Calzaghe, Pac-man (if he beats Marquez) Barrera and Morales are ATG's and by the time Mayweather Retires he will be.

Oscar De La Hoya and Tito will be remembered as ATG's there are actually quite a few.